Convince me Kayle is stronger than Vayne.

FireDrizzle··7 votes·6,745 views

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Baval14 votes

Kayle wears armor and can still fly

Vayne wears leather and can only roll

Also Kayle has a big ol' sword she swings around with one hand, while Vayne needs 2 hands for her big ol' crossbow

therefore, Kayle must be stronger to carry all that weight around.

Bârd10 votes

Kayle is immortal. Kayle has had unlimited time to lift.

Vayne is a mortal. Vayne has had limited time to lift.

Kayle can probably bench more than Vayne. Kayle is stronger than Vayne.

BLACK REALM GOD6 votes

kayle has a flat 5 more movement than vayne when vayne isn't moving towards enemies.

kayle has 3.9 more armor at level 1 and 5.6 more at level 18. likewise her magic resist is 4 and 6 more respectively.

kayles hp is 85 points higher at level 1 and at level 18 is about 300 points higher.

her attack speed is .695 (one of the highest in game) and scales at 34% whereas vayne has only .658 and scales at 56.1%. the math shows that given the same amount of attack damage (which vayne starts off with more) kayle does more attacks earlier on when her range is shorter - not including the added magic damage that she gets for her passive E. and that's per hit. not per 3 hits.

due to kayles passive she gains more movement speed assuming that she can stack 3 auto attacks on an enemy champion. so while in combat her passive grants her more attack speed than a vayne at the same level with the same items.

her kit allows her to benefit from nashoors tooth and the AP on guinsoos which can then be stacked alongside wits end to further improve her passive E's on hit damage which cannot be negated by tabi unlike vayne whose damage can be entirely negated by tabi until level 6.

per hit at level 16 kayle can deal an additional 30+ true damage per attack that is on-hit. this can be applied twice and in certain instances 4 times per second if you have lethal tempo. this damage can also critical and is applied to an entire cone in front of kayle and is increased by 10% of her AD and 20% of her AP. vayne's true damage requires 3 auto attacks to connect and for those attacks to not fall off in between. this requires her to focus a single target and to attack 3 times within 3.5 seconds incrementally in order to refresh the stacks. so essentially if you have boots you can outrun all but a vayne using her ulti and tumble. vaynes true damage is capped on minions and doesnt gain added benefit from anything other than attack speed.

is that enough to

FireDrizzle3 votes

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is that enough to

No.

BLACK REALM GOD11 votes

{quoted}

No.

then your post is a self fulfilling prophecy and no amount of evidence will sway you. this post is getting reported for not following board rules. please post in the rant section.

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

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then your post is a self fulfilling prophecy and no amount of evidence will sway you. this post is getting reported for not following board rules. please post in the rant section.

It isn't a Boards rule to agree with a well-structured argument, if you don't.

If OP doesn't agree, he doesn't agree.

That doesn't mean it's punishable.

BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

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It isn't a Boards rule to agree with a well-structured argument, if you don't.

If OP doesn't agree, he doesn't agree.

That doesn't mean it's punishable.

There is a rule about posting in the correct area of the boards. The title of the post would leave one to believe that the poster is requesting a civil debate or an explanation. The title could also be a take on the web-based running gag or "meme" of "water isn't wet - prove me wrong". In the first case the post would need to facilitate constructive discussion in order to allow one side to weigh in on their points with conclusive evidence. In the second case the post is in the wrong section of the boards and should be redirected to memes and games. Based on the superficial content of the post's body and the close-minded reply to my attempt at providing evidence and to answer the question of "who is stronger" I think it's obvious that this is little more than a rant post. Due to the nature of rant posts being unproductive and confusing or offensive to those willing to engage in civil debate they've been given their own place on the boards. So since this post is a rant post that has been posted in gameplay then it breaks the universal rule of the boards to be placed in the correct category. with that being said i dont expect it to be move or removed simply because the content and its existence is inconsequential and there is a bit of overlap still with gameplay and rant.

it's not about the argument. it's not about the agreement. having your post reported doesnt mean you'll be punished. however, there is a process that should be followed. this is why no one takes the league boards seriously.

Myrmiron6 votes

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then your post is a self fulfilling prophecy and no amount of evidence will sway you. this post is getting reported for not following board rules. please post in the rant section.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_prJdXRu_NA/hqdefault.jpg

FireDrizzle1 votes

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then your post is a self fulfilling prophecy and no amount of evidence will sway you. this post is getting reported for not following board rules. please post in the rant section.

Its not that no amount of evidence will sway me I just dont want too a answer a long post point by point, like Kayle potentially having 5 extra ms isnt evidence when Vayne has a spammable dash.

Lovelle3 votes

Kayle spikes faster, at least from what I've seen. She's also a lot harder to shut down at full build. Even if you're tanky she just melts you in seconds and as soon as you try to focus her you're slowed while she speeds up. This is all before she uses her ult.

The thigh guy2 votes

Unconditional utility Possibility of unconditional cc Executes Invuln Can use runnans Free as in kit Hybrid scaling.

Daddy Ants1 votes

Kayle is stronger than Vayne late game.

Scottsc201 votes

If Kayle hits level 16, the game is over. If Vayne hits level 16, she has about 2 more items to go before she's on even footing. The only thing more OP about Vayne is that dumbass invis.

BobaFlautist1 votes

Aoe?

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