Sion win rate

Akalix··2 votes·2,239 views
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From statistic, sion mid game is the moment when he wins the most of his game. However, the win rate of Sion ridiculously goes down when he approaches late game. Why? Simply because Sion E become useless, his E deal no damage, he looses a certain time to make it and that can only touch one champion. So, his E is not helping him during teamfight, it is just "helping" him against one champion, like during early-mid game cauzes others champions from other side are less in group, that could explain in certain part his higher win rate at mid game. In other hand, his W passive is not really useful, because lot of champions or items deal max. health dmg, so his W passive doesn't really help him too. Also, his damage from any souce of him becomes not enough versus others champions at late game, but his damage is enough at mid game because people didn't buy all their items, so he can tank and do all his abilities, and people don' t deal so much damage to him due to low itemization.

As a result, Sion damage's become negligible longer the game is and only his CC makes him something... so, when he does all his abilities (R,W,Q) he is not really something if you ignore him and if he failed his ult... he becomes really useless. Additionnaly, his passive "Glory in death" is also not very useful cause Sion can make less actions than Karthus who can do all his abilities during a clear time, Zyra that shots a projectile who go through units and deal true damage, Kog'Maw who explode dealing true damage and can't be stop, but for Sion passive, you just have to stun, slow him to counter his passive.

So, Sion needs a bigger damage at mid-late game and his passive and E need a change to be more useful, as an example, Sion W passive should scale with an other thing than his shield to get an advantage versus max. or current health damage or one his ability could herit the old name of darius passive named "Blood rage" that could make him in rage and get attack speed, lifesteal as his old ultimate "Cannibalism", same if his actually passive seems to be connected with his old ultimate, but his actual passive is not so useful because he needs to die to use it and easily count by CC or just by running.

Ironicaly, he is described as the champion of Noxus and a giant beast who drink blood, kill an army alone in the lore, but he is countered by Darius, Swain, Vladimir... that make a lot of people of Noxus who can count him....

19 Comments

Ralanr2 votes

His passive is meant to peel or make the enemy team waste CC in teamfights.

The only thing I'd argue is reverting a W nerf, but he doesn't need buffs or nerfs right now.

Akalix1 votes

he don t need nerf or buff, he just need some changes to adjust him in teamfight

antymattar2 votes

His E is fine. I have played a lot of sion and I can personally say that the E is the least of your worries in teamfights, it's not bad cus it can hit others, it's just kinda ok. His Q though, now try landing that without your R. Sions R is a huge part of his teamfighting potential. If sion could flash while ulting, it would be the beginning of a new era of Sion.

Ralanr1 votes

I wish his Q was like Darius Q, in how you can't stop it.

Akalix1 votes

i think u didn t play sion enough to say that, because his E makes nothing at end and useless in teamfight, i mean he could have a better ability that could help him more than his actual E, like the E of actual Dr.mundo that makes a damage about his max. health.

antymattar2 votes

Because everything needs to balanced around teamfights eh?

Akalix1 votes

so you are saying that his W passive has no advantage due to balancing, so his W passive is not an advantage, that why Sion needs changes.

antymattar2 votes

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Like, what are you even trying to say? XD

His W is an ok ability and his passive on his W is ok. Yes, Sion falls off lategame, but with the fast meta that's not really something that's as impactful as you might think.

goodblue2 votes

tank is op.

Akalix1 votes

only versus weak champions, but vayne is an exception due to his over powerful true max. health damage, also blade of the ruined King is a hard counter against tank.

SS Enforcer1 votes

No. No. Sion doesn't need any buffs. Riot as we know will just fuck everything about him. He is in an excellent position right now and doesn't need any changes. Please don't try to make sion buffs happen, because after a month or so, the situation will just be worse than right now.

Akalix1 votes

u think? Did they nerf darius or garen after they buffed them? No. So it could be the same thing for Sion.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Why? Simply because Sion E become useless, his E deal no damage, he looses a certain time to make it and that can only touch one champion. So, his E is not helping him during teamfight, it is just "helping" him against one champion, ...

I don't think you understand Sion's E. You never E the enemy champion, you E the minion and let that hit them because you get longer range, it does more damage, and it can then hit multiple champions. You can use it as a full team slow. Its damage isn't amazing but its not negligible and its utility is reasonable.

Akalix2 votes

I think that you don't understand, when i say "teamfight" i mean 5v5 or just a team vs enemy team anywhere in any map. Also, when i say against "one champion" , as an example, i mean when Sion is in laning phase at top doing a 1v1, his E is helping him because there is minions or invocations and his E can help him to make the cumbo E+Q, but this only vs one champion.

But, in teamfight, there is no 100% probability that there is minions or anything that get the range of his E longer, same if Sion touches someone with his E with a minion, the damage is low and only the slow effect is useful, so his E is just useful due to his slow.

However, combine the time of doing his Q+W+E, he takes a lot of time to make his abilities and his E does no dmg and can only touch one champion during a teamfight and will not absolutely get champions with his abilities, also if you try to get a minion with his E in a teamfight, you lost more time to make one of his ability that deal no signifiant damage and during all these times, you received damage from the other team.

In other part, his E can be useful just by hitting one champion, because Sion slow the enemy and the enemy have his armor reduced by a certain pourcentage and make his Q. But, this advantage is lost in teamfights and also the damage of this cumbo is not amazing and take a certain time to be reactivated at late game.

So, Sion E could be see like a "wash" ability, because Darius E have the same effect of reducing armor in a passive, but Sion E just reduces the armor of champions hit by his E. So, this is not a subject to debate, Sion E MUST be changed to get a real utility than his actual E that only haves an illusory utility.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

But, in teamfight, there is no 100% probability that there is minions or anything that get the range of his E longer,

Really? There are no minions around when sieging towers? fighting over vision before dragon and there is no scuttle crab? Its pretty easy to find things to shout at when you are confused and you want to. like the boards i guess....

I think you're expecting sion to do fighter level damage but in reality hes a disruptive tank. Your damage is not what will win the teamfight, but your initiation and disruption in teamfights is amazing and if you can stall the emeny out while your team does the damage then you've done your job.

So, this is not a subject to debate, Sion E MUST be changed to get a real utility than his actual E that only haves an illusory utility.

A totally dismissive and inappropriate statement to make. With that i think i'll take my leave from this ignoramus.

Akalix1 votes

I think you are not open to arguments, just play Sion that all i can say to you , it is probably the best solution to understand what i mean about Sion

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Sion is my #1 top laner. That's why i know how to use his e properly.

Akalix1 votes

ok, but did you read all my arguments about his E? I talked about time to make his abilities and the reasons for why you have probably win your lane at top. I refuted your arguments before you wrote them about Sion E, i think you should reread all my arguments.

Lovelle1 votes

Late game is whereSion feels the strongest to me. One good ult or even a well placed Q wins games at that point.

It's early game that's the hard part, since nearly everyone and everything can kill you if you're not careful.

His E does not need damage, as it offers good utility and sets up his other skills.

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