@Riot: When, oh when, is Warwick going to see a rework?

darkdill··11 votes·4,179 views

Warwick is one of those Champions who is both too binary and too boring, along with having extremely poor counterplay. If he wants to ult you, there's little you can do to stop him from landing it. You CAN QSS out of it, but that's what Riot calls "bad counterplay" as there's no skill involved. You just hit that button when he ults you and you get free of the suppression effect.

As for fighting Warwick, it pretty much boils down to a cockfight. He just keeps hitting you until you're dead or he's dead, his Q is direct-target so it can't miss, and you don't do anything to really outplay him; you just have to be stronger than him or he wins. BORING.

I don't remember who on the Riot team was behind the WW rework, but I've heard that the project was scrapped due to job shifts. Sounds like poor planning to me. Meanwhile, he's left in his usual borderline toxic state, unable to be used competitively, but being a real painintheass in pubs.

Whoever is now on the Champion Rework team, get to work on our resident werewolf!

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Kingsgrave4 votes

The only thing thats going to happen is they are going to give him something to gank with pre 6 and make his R a skillshot

9baksQuJhb2 votes

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If he wants to ult you, there's little you can do to stop him from landing it. You CAN QSS out of it, but that's what Riot calls "bad counterplay" as there's no skill involved. You just hit that button when he ults you and you get free of the suppression effect.

His ult is fantastic for ganking, but it's extremely tricky to use in teamfights. If you do it at the wrong time or in the wrong place, consider yourself dogpiled and dead. And if someone has qss or mikael's, consider yourself almost useless for the teamfight unless you're impossibly fed. At least Malzahar's ranged, point-and-click suppress isn't 85% of his threat in teamfights. What exactly would you do to it to give it more counterplay? This is the nature of a suppression.

As for fighting Warwick, it pretty much boils down to a cockfight. He just keeps hitting you until you're dead or he's dead, his Q is direct-target so it can't miss, and you don't do anything to really outplay him; you just have to be stronger than him or he wins. BORING.

I will allow you that 1v1ing a Warwick mid/late game is a non-option for most champions, but he can really only kill someone before backup arrives if he has his ult and it's a squishy running around alone without vision, which shouldn't happen in the first place. A LOT of champions can do that, and many do it more efficiently. You can also make that argument about pretty much any AA-based champ. He is also EXTREMELY easy to kite if he doesn't have his E popped.

I don't remember who on the Riot team was behind the WW rework, but I've heard that the project was scrapped due to job shifts. Sounds like poor planning to me. Meanwhile, he's left in his usual borderline toxic state, unable to be used competitively, but being a real pain in the ass in pubs.

Here's how to shut him down in a more skill-oriented and more efficient way: pick a counter-jungling or early-game jungler like Nunu or Shaco, and use them to fuck his early jungle up. He relies on getting to 6 as quickly as possible (which, if left undisturbed, takes 2 clears and a buff), and stacking that devourer. Playing into a counter-jungling/strong early game jungler really fucks him over, provided the person behind that champion is any good. I say this not because I assume you do not know it (you may be challenjour for all I know), but for the sake of everyone reading the thread.

Whoever is now on the Champion Rework team, get to work on our resident werewolf!

He's currently in the most balanced spot he's had for a good while, and any rework they would do (knowing what Rito does to the champions they rework), would either make him garbage or broken.

Hello I am Bird1 votes

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His ult is fantastic for ganking, but it's extremely tricky to use in teamfights. If you do it at the wrong time or in the wrong place, consider yourself dogpiled and dead.

Heh, funny Dogpiled Dog... Wolf... Warwick

9baksQuJhb1 votes

Mordekaiser huehuehuehue

Hello I am Bird1 votes

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ElJanitorFrank2 votes

He is currently being reworked. You can see his rework kit-concept from almost a year ago if you dig around a bit, though it's probably changed since then.

qetzel1 votes

He is a long way away. Priorities, yo. Limited resources suck.

He isn't like Ashe - you can't trot it out in a month. He isn't as big a problem as Sion - there is no desperate need to spend a really long time updating him. He isn't right at the top of the list of problem champions, and as such is going to be left for a while.

Teridax681 votes

If I remember well, ZenonTheStoic was in charge of the Warwick rework, but handed it over to another Rioter because he was working on other projects (likely Azir and Ekko). The idea behind his rework was to a) make Warwick a proper drain tank, i.e. a champion whose resilience came from their ability to sustain themselves over time, b) give him much more useful basic abilities, including more crowd control, and c) tone down the reliability on his kit, especially his ult, so that he could be outplayed at all times. The kit he proposed looked awesome, though there was also a potential issue with drain tanking that Xypherous discussed alongside him (drain tanking, when done wrong, means drain tanks can become overly binary, so either too weak to tank properly or unkillable, especially if they have a lot of health as well). Hopefully, Warwick's final rework will keep a lot from that kit.

Eyesack1 votes

Still no rework, feelsbadman

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