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Evelynn, the buff she needs

StoryDuck··9 votes·1,496 views

A disclaimer, I am not an assassin player or a jungler and these are just my thoughts from games I've been in with her, played her, and watched her being played.

From what I have seen her entire kit revolves around her W but the W is so hard to hit due to waiting 2.5 seconds then only having 2.5 seconds to proc it. I feel that all it needs is a much longer duration in which it can be proc'd by her. Instead of lasting 5 seconds (2.5 of which cannot proc MR pen or charm) it should last 10 seconds or longer. I might even suggest it lasts 10/12/14/16/18 but that might be too long.

I feel that this ability really defines her and the longer it lasts the longer it keep the opponent on edge. Picture an evelynn drive by where all she does is cast W but never reveals herself then goes back to jungling. How terrified is that target going to be for those 10 seconds? This could bring some really fun and interesting mind games to evelynn's kit at the same time making her kit more reliable as she would have a much larger window to proc her ability. True, her damage might be low but I think it is more important to put power into the thematic part of her kit first before buffing raw numbers and a more reliable MR pen proc with charm will like give her a much needed damage amp anyway.

26 Comments

Sektah2 votes

As a plat assassin main, i agree with the argument that her w is basically what everything revolves around her.

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

Her w being 2.5 seconds is great tbh. It gives you the time to reposition around your target.

Frankly I don't think Eve needs buffs.

TitanAnteus1 votes

She just needs a gap closer and more movement speed while stealthed. Also hate spikes should focus on champions.

Literally those 3 things would fix her.

CatSith1 votes

it focuses the target Eve attacks. I enjoy playing the new eve in lane and changing it to prioritize champions would really affect her laning because it would be difficult to farm against lane bullies if i cant farm with my Q.

TitanAnteus1 votes

They designed her kit around the jungle. Since her q can be blocked by minions when ganking the only ability you have that can actually activate your W's charm can be blocked by minions or other champs, and you won't get it back for a while. You can't even reposition to have hatespikes do it for you since they don't focus champs.

Dexamoru2 votes

You have no idea what your talking about. Eve is dumpster tier. Your not re positioning around nothing in 2.5 seconds during a team fight.

TitanAnteus2 votes

Lol agreed. She's not that mobile. Doesn't even get increased movement speed while shrouded.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

Actually meddler has mentioned she's faring pretty well so far. Definitely not dumpster tier being she hasn't been hotfixed or anything either.

She's just different to play and as a result of being a reworked champion people still play her like the old Eve.

Looking from your match history you've played her 4 - 5 times since she was released anyways, so I think you wouldn't have much of a clue if I don't.

StoryDuck1 votes

2.5 seconds is ridiculously short time to take advantage of a big part of her kit. You also need to take into account that the enemy will have 2.5 seconds to prepare for her and likely move away or be itching to use an ability to escape the proc. Walking away, dashing away, flashing away are all very great tools for buying 2.5 seconds and once that timer is up Evelynn has very little impact. I would also add you can Zhonya's the 2.5 seconds :)

I do not think eve is as bad as people think but there is undeniably something off about her kit. From the games I've played with her I really enjoyed it despite having little impact. That tell me her kit is fun but missing something. The most common thing I see other players of eve struggle with is procing W and thinking to the few games I played her if W was more reliable I would feel better. I also love the idea of freaking out the enemy ADC with it as they wonder....where is she for 7.5 seconds :)

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

The biggest point I'm seeing here is;

From the games I've played with her I really enjoyed it despite having little impact.

This is not an issue with the champion. This is an issue with you. The player.

I have played Eve pretty extensively since the rework in 80% of the games I have been A MAJOR reason for my team winning. I've had an insane KDA (Especially in my more recent games).

She's an amazing Assassin with plenty of potential in multtple areas then just picking people off. I frankly just think you and a lot of people are not good at this champion and they blame her being 'weak' instead of themselves for not knowing how to play to her strengths and weaknesses.

Her early clear is insanely fast. Her early ganks are a guaranteed kill if you get your charm off. Her Mid-game is explosive and her late-game she plays like Ahri in that she's perfect for picking off high priority targets.

Lastly your buff idea is ridiculous. 7.5 seconds of Zoning? Do you have idea how insanely broken that would be? She's not rengar.

StoryDuck1 votes

This is not an issue with the champion. This is an issue with you. The player.

Wow, rude much? I have an opinion that she was fun and shared my thoughts as an outsider to the role and class and you say I have issues? Sorry that I enjoyed playing her despite having troubles? Yeah, I don't play assassin, I don't play jungle often and I said that in the first sentence. Why you are saying I have issues when I literally said I'm not an expert in the role? You are just showing how incredibly troll you are. If you are not trolling then you need to learn to read.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

Hardly rude really, and hilarious that's all you payed attention to.

I'm not troll. Just pointing out that if you're not able to make an impact when playing this champion you're simply not good enough at them. Considering plenty of other people do well enough on her to not only have an impact, but goes as far as too carry games on her.

It's like when people say Nidalee is weak in her current state. She's not, you just need to be good enough with her to make her kit work as an early game jungler with an insanely fast jungle clear.

My issue is that you're suggesting an insane buff to a champion. All because you're not good enough at them yet to have an impact on games youv'e used her in.

Yukínose2 votes

The W is NOT difficult to proc. You only think it is, because you're choosing to gank people with the worst possible routes/timings.

Just gank people from the side or behind (like how every other jungler functions), and your success rate is suddenly magnitudes higher. Why would you expect to be able to land an 80% burst combo from stealth when you chose to gank while running in from your nexus?

StoryDuck1 votes

From the games I've played her, the twitch/youtube players I've watched, the games where I watch the enemy evelynn struggle to do anything the one thing I've notice about all of them is the difficulty to proc a full W. This isn't a huge buff as damage numbers don't change. If it is as easy as you say to proc then nothing changes and it's a quality of life buff that adds to her haunting play style. However, the biggest problem I'm seeing is the reliability of W. I think it would make her a lot easier to play and make her reliable. I see a healthy amount of damage from her when she hits her W but an underwhelming amount of damage without.

On another note, in higher rank game play people don't blindly over extend themselves in lane for those flanks. In gold or lower, yeah all the time.

Yukínose2 votes

Apparently they still do in Diamond. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia-Y2ZCQieA

I've been constantly seeing people saying "only bad players will be charmed by new Eve. see what happens in diamond", when it's clearly just bs. She's still an extremely strong gank-oriented jungler.

StoryDuck1 votes

True enough, I'm not saying it can't be done but it is unnecessarily hard to do so. I think the fear enemies have of her having the potential to charm would play really well into her theme, which is why I feel the window to do so should be longer both improving her thematic play and improving the ease of use for her.

Enomot1 votes

this is d5 and btw the kids got a 43% winrate on evelynn which is the new average on her and declining daily. new eve is fucking garb

Yukínose1 votes

Btw, her winrates have steadily been increasing since her rework's release. It's actually now above 46%. Yes, in Diamond. Her winrate actually increases as your ELO increases. Source

Please be more open minded about a new kit for something that was just released. :)

Enomot1 votes

what website are u using lol

Enomot1 votes

actually it is very hard to proc, but ur gold so u must know better

Fear the Kayn1 votes

Eve is supposed to be an assassin. Making her MR pen last that long turns her into a DPS over time mid.

Arakadia3 votes

That's not what he is suggesting.

StoryDuck1 votes

Not suggesting the MR pen lasts long just the window to proc the MR pen. The debuff should remain with the same duration.

Iręlía1 votes

The problem with eve is a mechanical one. She must be in melee range to combo her target, but the rest of her kit works against this idea. She has no gapcloser, paired with the GIGANTIC range of her detection radius, and the W indicator. These are the core issues mechanically. You dont fix these all at once. You either give her a gapcloser/ms buff OR reduce the detection radius so she doesnt need a gapcloser at that point. All of the above at once would be broken.

A couple QoL changes I think would help is the way Stealth is deactivated, shouldnt be on minion aggro and not after the first tick of a DoT spell as well as a detection radius the size of twitch's. I want to mention more, but I think anymore than this would be greedy and too hopeful. If Riot gave this much change to her, it would be truly be a gift.

Also the idea from the other thread about her ult re-applying her Demon Shade is a great idea.

StoryDuck1 votes

Too early to say if its a numbers issue or she needs all her mechanics tweaked. That's why I would like to see buffs to her thematic abilities allowing her style of play to shine more and letting people experience what she brings that is unique to LOL. Stealthing after ult is nice and all but it's already an amazing escape tool and I've never really seen a need for her to stealth immediately after. Sure, she could proc an empowered E again but the dash back firmly puts her out of combat making that kinda of pointless.

Calabok1 votes

she's gonna need nerfs you will see

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