So a lot of people hate how her Q gives her health and extra damage in lane, so what if we removed the heal?
Now, this isn't a flat out nerf. To compensate, Fiora gets to ignore Grevious wounds for the duration of the movespeed (or however long is balanced).
Thoughts?
YoungSirJ0ey3 votesSo she gets to ignore grievous wounds...why? How does that help her?
Asayake 5150glow1 votesSo she gets to ignore grievous wounds...why? How does that help her?
So her 
are doubly effective?
420 grams1 votesHer q is a dash that strikes the closest target. It does not heal. I can't think of one champion that doesn't have an ability that does damage, so I don't see why it would be fair to take off her main damage ability since it's not "extra damage", it's just damage. Also, that would be a nerf. What's the point of ignoring grevious wounds if her main healing source is gone? Finally, her ult would just become damage which ruin her sustain, thus ruining her as a fighter and turning her into a shitty assassin.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-25T22:25:33.614+0000)
Her q is a dash that strikes the closest target. It does not heal. I can't think of one champion that doesn't have an ability that does damage, so I don't see why it would be fair to take off her main damage ability since it's not "extra damage", it's just damage. Also, that would be a nerf. What's the point of ignoring grevious wounds if her main healing source is gone? Finally, her ult would just become damage which ruin her sustain, thus ruining her as a fighter and turning her into a shitty assassin.
I said 'passive'...
Passive isn't her main healing source, it's like 70 health. Her main healing source is her 32% lifesteal from
Plus R still heals when it's complete...
420 grams1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-25T22:51:15.041+0000)
I said 'passive'...
Passive isn't her main healing source, it's like 70 health. Her main healing source is her 32% lifesteal from
Plus R still heals when it's complete...
7200 gold later assuming you don't buy boots or black cleaver first. That really doesn't help lane very much
Asayake 5150glow2 votes[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-25T23:42:03.622+0000)
7200 gold later assuming you don't buy boots or black cleaver first. That really doesn't help lane very much
Well you see.
It's not supposed too.
After all Fiora's early game is pretty strong for a scaling hyperduelist. Yeah, she kinda needs it to keep up with Riven and similar, but she doesn't need it against most other champions.
420 grams1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-25T23:56:44.955+0000)
Well you see.
It's not supposed too.
After all Fiora's early game is pretty strong for a scaling hyperduelist. Yeah, she kinda needs it to keep up with Riven and similar, but she doesn't need it against most other champions.
So you want her to be complete garbage in lane and then have her scale at a medium level late? Doesn't seem very fair. She gets out scaled by many, and loses lane to many. She's in a sweet spot where she can kill you in lane if you play binary and mess up, and scales late where she can 1 v 1 almost anyone and clean up team fights when not focused.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-26T00:13:25.004+0000)
So you want her to be complete garbage in lane and then have her scale at a medium level late? Doesn't seem very fair. She gets out scaled by many, and loses lane to many. She's in a sweet spot where she can kill you in lane if you play binary and mess up, and scales late where she can 1 v 1 almost anyone and clean up team fights when not focused.
But... she wouldn't scale at a medium level. Fiora outscales 99% of all juggernauts, 100% of all tanks, and 100% of fighters/bruisers/skirmishers she either destroys or it's a skill match up. Even her hardest counter, Pantheon, she has a chance once she reaches lategame/items.
Plus, she wouldn't be complete garbage in lane. Her damage is still the exact same, and the only thing she's losing out on is a few heals, most of which can be denied from her if played well.
420 grams1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-26T18:23:36.920+0000)
But... she wouldn't scale at a medium level. Fiora outscales 99% of all juggernauts, 100% of all tanks, and 100% of fighters/bruisers/skirmishers she either destroys or it's a skill match up. Even her hardest counter, Pantheon, she has a chance once she reaches lategame/items.
Plus, she wouldn't be complete garbage in lane. Her damage is still the exact same, and the only thing she's losing out on is a few heals, most of which can be denied from her if played well.
Out scaling doesn't mean they win 1 v 1. Zed doesn't out scale Tristana, even though he wins the 1 v 1. There are more than 1% of juggernauts and tanks can still scale up to do their job better than fiora can do hers late. As far as her fights being a skill match up, she has a disadvantage against many fighters (tryndamere and jax especially). If they're complete garbage and let her proc 3 or 4 vitals easily then obviously she wins. Just like how you want to dodge lux q and r in a fight, you want to dodge her damage source. In lane she needs the sustain to help her trades. Her damage for trading really isn't that great, so the heal helps sustain through whatever they throw back at her. And if you can deny the heals anyway, what's the problem? She has to earn them.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-26T18:48:01.335+0000)
Out scaling doesn't mean they win 1 v 1. Zed doesn't out scale Tristana, even though he wins the 1 v 1. There are more than 1% of juggernauts and tanks can still scale up to do their job better than fiora can do hers late. As far as her fights being a skill match up, she has a disadvantage against many fighters (tryndamere and jax especially). If they're complete garbage and let her proc 3 or 4 vitals easily then obviously she wins. Just like how you want to dodge lux q and r in a fight, you want to dodge her damage source. In lane she needs the sustain to help her trades. Her damage for trading really isn't that great, so the heal helps sustain through whatever they throw back at her. And if you can deny the heals anyway, what's the problem? She has to earn them.
Fiora should always be in a 1v1, that's where she's meant to be. That's her job. If she's not there, she's not in an ideal position.
Fiora has the advantage against Jax, he gets exactly .25 seconds to stun you, otherwise it gets Riposted, and you can easily kill him in those 2 seconds.
Fiora wins against Trynd, especially if she has some form of slow resist. The fact that she can nearly 100-0 him just lets her crush him.
Yeah, she has to earn them, except when she pokes, and then phage + vital movespeed just doesn't let you trade effectively. Especially if she's in her minions.
420 grams1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-26T19:10:01.597+0000)
Fiora should always be in a 1v1, that's where she's meant to be. That's her job. If she's not there, she's not in an ideal position.
Fiora has the advantage against Jax, he gets exactly .25 seconds to stun you, otherwise it gets Riposted, and you can easily kill him in those 2 seconds.
Fiora wins against Trynd, especially if she has some form of slow resist. The fact that she can nearly 100-0 him just lets her crush him.
Yeah, she has to earn them, except when she pokes, and then phage + vital movespeed just doesn't let you trade effectively. Especially if she's in her minions.
Tryndamere can take towers faster and wave clear faster. If she is a 1 v 1 situation, it's probably because she's splitting. Kills don't win games, objectives do. For jax the e isn't there for the stun, it denies her vital procs and wastes a good amount of time on her ult. Even if you miss the stun part, he can side step the w and sustain through the rest of her damage with his ult easy. Both jax and tryndamere gap closer is more reliable. Of the three, fiora actually gets killed the fastest since she only has healing to sustain whereas jax and tryndamere have their ults. Finally, an 800 gold item or ignite shuts down fioras healing very effectively making her die in a fight MUCH faster.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-26T19:58:38.209+0000)
Tryndamere can take towers faster and wave clear faster. If she is a 1 v 1 situation, it's probably because she's splitting. Kills don't win games, objectives do. For jax the e isn't there for the stun, it denies her vital procs. Even if you miss the stun part, he can side step the w and sustain through the rest of her damage with his ult easy. Both jax and tryndamere gap closer is more reliable. Of the three, fiora actually gets killed the fastest since she only has healing to sustain whereas jax and tryndamere have their ults. Finally, an 800 gold item or ignite shuts down fioras healing very effectively making her die in a fight MUCH faster.
Aye, but (I think?) Fiora gets the tankiest, her damage basically spiking at 3 items, allowing her other two to be tank items.
That makes her a lot tankier, period.
Trynd either has to give up another slot for LW, and be even squishier, or do very little damage as Trynd has no way of dealing with armor.
Jax's only got magic damage + physical damage, so Fiora's SV + Randuins will fuck that.
420 grams1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-26T20:01:59.379+0000)
Aye, but (I think?) Fiora gets the tankiest, her damage basically spiking at 3 items, allowing her other two to be tank items.
That makes her a lot tankier, period.
Trynd either has to give up another slot for LW, and be even squishier, or do very little damage as Trynd has no way of dealing with armor.
Jax's only got magic damage + physical damage, so Fiora's SV + Randuins will fuck that.
I see your point if the tryndamere and jax bought 6 tear of goddess. However, players other than Tyler1 don't usually go that build so they will have room for items to counter.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BoJfUmrw,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-26T20:10:53.285+0000)
I see your point if the tryndamere and jax bought 6 tear of goddess. However, players other than Tyler1 don't usually go that build so they will have room for items to counter.
What builds are you using?