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Well.... It's Finally Happened

SkyblazeHydraX3··7 votes·888 views

I've played through the juggernaut path, the marksman update, the mage update, three seasons, and two preseasons. I've played loyally, and for all the faults and flaws there may have been I have enjoyed the game. I don't even have any problem with Dynamic Queue.

But all the same, it's finally happened.

There has finally been a meta created that genuinely hurts- maybe even endangers- my enjoyment of the game in its current form. And that is the Ghostblade assassination meta that has recently permeated the game.

Maybe it started with Lucian and the "Ghostcleaver" build that Riot tried to nerf, to limited success. Or maybe it started with Miss Fortune, who built the same combination and threw Duskblade into the mix. But when originally Youmuu's was a niche item used only on the likes of say Twitch or Talon or Zed or Hecarim, all of whom built it for its active and stats complementing their "first strike" playstyle, now you see it on virtually any and every commonly played ADC or fighter out there. Vayne, Lucian, Draven, Miss Fortune, Jhin, Quinn; Pantheon, Wukong, Yasuo; I could go on. The sad thing is, I really could.

I'm a Mastery 7 Kha'Zix main with a 55% winrate. And I'll admit, I build Youmuu's after my jungle item. The boost to my stats and damage output, combined with the active to get me in close for assassinations, is pretty valuable. But even I have to say.... I think Ghostblade is legitimately making the game less enjoyable for me. And this is, in as far as I can remember, the first time something has made the game more difficult for me to enjoy that couldn't just be banned away in champ select. Youmuu's is too splashable and abused by too many champions to possibly ban them all, and that's disregarding the unrelated problem champions. And that makes things frustrating.

I don't even know where I'm going with this rant, really. All I know is that despite my thorough enjoyment of playing assassins.... even I have to say Ghostblade is warping the game in a negative manner, and I really hope Riot does something about it quickly. But until then, I'm going into games much more somber and less enthusiastic. And that also makes me a bit sad.

22 Comments

Surr20plz3 votes

Getting outplayed by the same item you rush after jg?

Delish!

SkyblazeHydraX32 votes

How's about you do something constructive with your time?

Or better yet, zip it.

Surr20plz1 votes

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How's about you do something constructive with your time?

Or better yet, zip it.

Nah, enjoy your downvotes kid. The hypocrisy.

Glad you got rekt by the item you build.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

.....Okay, why?

I have never once done anything to you. I don't even know who you are.

So why do you feel you get to attack and insult me? What is the logic process that makes you think "it's okay to indulge in an attitude that's been repeatedly stated to be unacceptable by the very company that makes the game I play and enjoy."

I already reported your last two posts for your unprovoked attitude, but now I'm curious. What makes you think this is okay? GIFT? Would you have the gall to say this to someone's face? Or can you only say it because you seem to think you're immune to any repercussions?

Go on, tell me. Please, try and justify yourself.

Surr20plz1 votes

{quoted}

.....Okay, why?

I have never once done anything to you. I don't even know who you are.

So why do you feel you get to attack and insult me? What is the logic process that makes you think "it's okay to indulge in an attitude that's been repeatedly stated to be unacceptable by the very company that makes the game I play and enjoy."

I already reported your last two posts for your unprovoked attitude, but now I'm curious. What makes you think this is okay? GIFT? Would you have the gall to say this to someone's face? Or can you only say it because you seem to think you're immune to any repercussions?

Go on, tell me. Please, try and justify yourself.

You seem to be threatening me in this post. Maybe it's time to take a break kiddo :)

rtbf697746142 votes

I agree with you, this tank meta BS and yomuus bullshit makes league so painful to deal with... ( ALSO HOW THEY KEEP NERFING MY MAIN "azir" WHO HAS A 42% W/R BUT NOT THE OP BROKE ASS CHAMPS, LIKE WTF SO TILTING)

rtbf697746141 votes

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I agree with you, this tank meta BS and yomuus bullshit makes league so painful to deal with... ( ALSO HOW THEY KEEP NERFING MY MAIN "azir" WHO HAS A 42% W/R BUT NOT THE OP BROKE ASS CHAMPS, LIKE WTF SO TILTING)

Oh wait my bad 40.64% as of now FML!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SkyblazeHydraX32 votes

It's not even tanks. It's bruisers and Ghostblade users and Trinity Force abusers.

forist2 votes

I find it hard to understand what you are saying. Are you upset about ranged champs abusing ghostblade or are you upset about the item itself? The item itself is not broken at all, in fact it was just nerfed a couple of patches ago. Also, what do you mean by "Youmuu's is too splashable" ?

SkyblazeHydraX33 votes

I'm upset about the item in general seeming to be a common component to overwhelming champions. ADCs all around seem abuse it to run and burst you down, bruisers like Wukong/Pantheon/Hecarim will use it to make sure you can never possibly escape after they burst you down, and I have to admit I've always had a sore spot against Talon's "no reaction time" burst.

To be perfectly honest the ADCs probably bother me the most with it, since so many seem to abuse it out of nowhere. But what also bothers me is that even I have to admit I use the item to improve the functionality of my ganks as Kha'Zix, so that means if it gets nerfed, less than overwhelming champions that I play are going to suffer for it.

forist3 votes

I think the stats are necessary on a lot of ad champions, even if the active from yoummus was removed I'd still buy it on talon or zed. As for jungle champs like khazix, rengar, pantehon, lee sin, or even wukong the cdr and ad are easily accessible via warrior enchantment and there are many other items that provide armor pen such as cleaver, maw, or duskblade. If yoummus were to get nerfed again i guarantee that the champions that would suffer the most would be ad assassins that can't make effective use of jungle items due to primarily being laners. This means that champions that can't jungle well would be hit the hardest such as: zed, talon, riven, jayce, or varus. Basically, what I'm getting at is its too core on specific champions to be nerfed without substantial repercussions and this is due to the fact that many of the champions that build yoummus are inflexible position-wise.

As for the adc abuse of yoummus, there's a really simple solution: make its active melee only. Nerfing the item for the bruisers that abuse it won't really solve anything, because their kits are designed to stick to you and pump out dps, and with or without yoummus they have abilities that will accomplish that.

Speaking to my own experiences, I don't find yoummus overwhelming at all. I don't think it or the active is op, in fact I think there are far worse items in the game such as rylai's and rod of ages, but those are just my own opinions.

DJ Mayhem2 votes

I entirely agree. Just played a game against an MF bot who had 25 less AD than me but could delete half my hp in one hit with 0 crit. This makes no sense to have more attack speed, more armor pen, more damage, and then get blown up because youmuu's is that broken. Matter of fact, mid laner ALSO had youmuu's and thanks to that one item, he deleted his opponent in 1 or 2 hits as well. It's just WAYYY to much bang for the buck on ranged champions. You can't catch them but they can destroy you from afar. It's 400 gold cheaper than IE and, while you're building it, you get some great passive buffs while with IE, you're counting on flat damage bringing you out of the dirt and when it's finished, it's flat damage and crit with a bonus to crit dmg IF you hit the crit. One out of 5 shots at early game isn't great odds against so many burst champions with youmuu's who can strike from afar and do insane damage before you even get to engage.

You can Braum against them, but I've been in fights where I've shielded against Lucian or MF with full armor builds and the shield up and they delete me like I'm a teemo. That's just broken. Why is this not only cheaper, but far more effective throughout the build path? League's becoming a game far less about the ability of a player to play well, and a LOT more about abusing flaws like this. With IE, you still had to be able to position and trade and find a good time to engage. Now? Now league's got bot lane setup for the burst oppression all day. This reminds me of what they did to mid lane a few years ago when assassins with 0 mana or ap assassin's with no mana issues took over mid because you couldn't tag them before they melted you under turret or ganked you mid from one of the 6 avenues before you got back. And this was AFTER they nerfed mages to the ground for being strong. Um, they're mages! They're supposed to be strong offensively! They're made of candy glass! How about we stop forgiving shitty players for being bad and start balancing the game and telling people they better learn how to play well if they want to get anywhere.

This season I've tried to climb the ladder and every time I lose it's to afk's, a mid that lets their lane roam bot so it's a 4v2 bot lane all day (5 if top tps for an extra assist), then they got and get the dragon and take bot turret too. It's ridiculous to set up teams for failure. You have more champions than ever and never increase the amount of bans. You have buffs on dragons and items that are obviously favoring certain champions that are already very powerful and have that ability on them. How about this, if a champion has that passive, they can't buy that item. Or even, make it a unique passive so their passive and the item's don't stack! That way Vayne's with Blade of the ruined king aren't stupid powerful even with it's nerf while it's shit now for everybody else. Or duskblade on Zed or MF who do insane damage with it and youmuu's. And why does one of the cheaper legendary AD items have more bonuses than any other item on the legendary AD list (except triforce which can be for anybody). Youmuu's is broken right now and because of the passive buffs it gives during the build path, it tilts the lane advantage far too heavily without requiring any real skill or ability on the players part. Just press Q.

Come on Riot. Put the baddies to pasture and let's allow players' skill levels determine a win. Not a broken item or a champion buff/nerf that's ridiculous. On that note, how about unfucking orianna so she's playable as a carry again instead of somebody who bursts enough to hurt but mostly just feeds her team if she's lucky before she gets 1 shot by an enemy assassin or adc. no movement speed, no armor/magic resist, no hp, high mana cost, no range... why do you hate her so?

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

{quoted}

I've played through the juggernaut path, the marksman update, the mage update, three seasons, and two preseasons. I've played loyally, and for all the faults and flaws there may have been I have enjoyed the game. I don't even have any problem with Dynamic Queue.

But all the same, it's finally happened.

There has finally been a meta created that genuinely hurts- maybe even endangers- my enjoyment of the game in its current form. And that is the Ghostblade assassination meta that has recently permeated the game.

Maybe it started with Lucian and the "Ghostcleaver" build that Riot tried to nerf, to limited success. Or maybe it started with Miss Fortune, who built the same combination and threw Duskblade into the mix. But when originally Youmuu's was a niche item used only on the likes of say Twitch or Talon or Zed or Hecarim, all of whom built it for its active and stats complementing their "first strike" playstyle, now you see it on virtually any and every commonly played ADC or fighter out there. Vayne, Lucian, Draven, Miss Fortune, Jhin, Quinn; Pantheon, Wukong, Yasuo; I could go on. The sad thing is, I really could.

I'm a Mastery 7 Kha'Zix main with a 55% winrate. And I'll admit, I build Youmuu's after my jungle item. The boost to my stats and damage output, combined with the active to get me in close for assassinations, is pretty valuable. But even I have to say.... I think Ghostblade is legitimately making the game less enjoyable for me. And this is, in as far as I can remember, the first time something has made the game more difficult for me to enjoy that couldn't just be banned away in champ select. Youmuu's is too splashable and abused by too many champions to possibly ban them all, and that's disregarding the unrelated problem champions. And that makes things frustrating.

I don't even know where I'm going with this rant, really. All I know is that despite my thorough enjoyment of playing assassins.... even I have to say Ghostblade is warping the game in a negative manner, and I really hope Riot does something about it quickly. But until then, I'm going into games much more somber and less enthusiastic. And that also makes me a bit sad.

wait what's so negative about it again?

SkyblazeHydraX34 votes

Several things. I see the item everywhere and it's on several champions that give me recurring problems- and I don't mean me personally, but rather "seem to dominate the game when I see them on the enemy team". And because it's abusable by so many champions, it can't be dealt with just by banning them away. Some champions will always get through, and then I have to pray they won't snowball out of control and make the game absolutely miserable, once again. Hell on one occasion I saw Youmuu's on four different champions in a single game!

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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Several things. I see the item everywhere and it's on several champions that give me recurring problems- and I don't mean me personally, but rather "seem to dominate the game when I see them on the enemy team". And because it's abusable by so many champions, it can't be dealt with just by banning them away. Some champions will always get through, and then I have to pray they won't snowball out of control and make the game absolutely miserable, once again. Hell on one occasion I saw Youmuu's on four different champions in a single game!

personally I prefer if youmus is a strong item option lol. Windows of mobility instead of constant and all that. penetration over damage, attack speed but not everyone really scales well with that all the time aside from again, some windows.

I'm not unhappy with this.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

Youmuu's has a 45 second cooldown. Meaning there are few if any "windows of mobility". And with the attack speed, move speed, and flat armor penetration, Marksman can completely nuke their enemies while being free to get out because they're just that fast.

And even if they screw up using Youmuu's, oh wait they still have a 60 AD stat stick with 10 armor pen and 10% CDR.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

{quoted}

Youmuu's has a 45 second cooldown. Meaning there are few if any "windows of mobility". And with the attack speed, move speed, and flat armor penetration, Marksman can completely nuke their enemies while being free to get out because they're just that fast.

And even if they screw up using Youmuu's, oh wait they still have a 60 AD stat stick with 10 armor pen and 10% CDR.

I prefer this to item 3508

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

Essence Reaver can essentially give 30% CDR from one item though. Sure it requires building at least two other crit items, but you do get the CDR o top of the stats from the aforementioned items.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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Essence Reaver can essentially give 30% CDR from one item though. Sure it requires building at least two other crit items, but you do get the CDR o top of the stats from the aforementioned items.

that's why I prefer a youmu's meta over something like essence reaver.

TheOvermind1 votes

It appears that ad carries are opting into armor pen/ ad for stronger mid game fights but fall off late game? Instead of the usual crit power In the late game but weaker mid game.

Should they be allowed to choose between their power spikes no matter what champ they r playing? So the whole vayne, Twitch is strong late weak early , Lucian, corki are strong early fall off late thing doesn't count anymore ?

This thing is basically ruining uniqueness and throws all those unique items riot introduced and remade in the pre season to he gutter.

So please . No more cleaver on ad carries. Shredding everyone's armor with one ability. No more ghosblade Rush on late game carries that pretty much gives them everything they need for the mid game fight.

SkyblazeHydraX32 votes

Honestly, Ghost Cleaver and Duskblade on ranged champions is a massive freaking pain. I think Ghostblade is too strong in general with how many champions rush and abuse it, but Duskblade on ADCs is just wrong.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

i miss the crit on ghostblade : /

i know it has been reworked into an assassin item, but i miss the days where i could combine it with i.e. on garen. thing was soo good.

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