"... we've made the decision to not bring back solo queue"

DJ S0NA·May 31, 2016·204 votes·11,271 views

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/dynamic-queue-and-future-league

Your thoughts?

164 Comments

DecritMay 31, 201664 votes

About time.

Probably is not very functional right now since it has issues at higher elo, but better this than the old joke of the solo Q. That, in truth, it was not a SoloQ as many want to claim since you could queque as a duo and you could easily end up in teams with duos ignoring each other.

But hey, i am just a silver. Probably my opinion means nothing to the goldplatlords here that want to shout and scream claiming to be the majority and to have only right ideas here

iamthegoatofwarMay 31, 20167 votes

I'm not going to pull rank on you here at all, but I promise you one thing it is extremely annoying to see a person in my elo feeding, but his 2 plat friends are able to carry him easy.

KetiMay 31, 20168 votes

In previous solo/duo it was limited to 1 duo per team, typically an adc/support.

DecritMay 31, 20166 votes

Are you sure? many times i checked out my own account at op.gg and i noticed double duos. I might remember wrong, but that struck me hard enough. If you have any evidence, could you please link them?

Blue Ogre DorryJun 1, 20167 votes

No, Double Duo was Extremely common for me in season 3 and a nice chunk of season 5.

KirbanatorMay 31, 201638 votes

i for one have zero problems with dynamic que, i hated solo que for many reasons. I had to fight the role i was good at. A lot more toxicity. Nobody worked together in game, they all went rambo and died 1v5. It was horrible, i didn't get anywhere.

I do understand alot of people's compliants, but i NEVER get assigned with premades, my team knows how to play there role, and most importantly, WE ARE WORKING AS A TEAM IN A TEAM BASED GAME.

Bottomline, solo queue may be gone, but dynamic queue as a whole makes the experience so much better.

Voluug13May 31, 201636 votes

You are confusing ''new champ select and role queue'ing'' with DQ. They are not the same.

DQ is the ability to queue with 2-5 people in ranked.

I do understand alot of people's compliants, but i NEVER get assigned with premades, my team knows how to play there role, and most importantly, WE ARE WORKING AS A TEAM IN A TEAM BASED GAME.

Yes, but when you get the bad premade while the enemy premade dives your tower at level 4 with 3 people... while yours is composed of a bronze-level guy, his GF and their Plat best friend. While you play in high gold.

EDIT: People apparently dont get hyperbole.

HammerpriestJun 1, 20163 votes

Except that'll never happen except if the plat player is smurfing and managed to get placed in silver. Smurfing + feeder has always been a problem even back during Solo Q so there's a zero sum gain there. If only we could remove 4 man premades doe. 3 is manageable, 4 is absolute hell.

Voluug13Jun 1, 201610 votes

Smurfing + feeder has always been a problem

And it was it was an issue that was ALWAYS complained about.

Blue Moon WolfMay 31, 20165 votes

I feel like the problems that DynamicQ has now will mostly be fixed after they have some more time to work on the issues and they did make a fair point on premades vs a team of all solo players (though they really dodged the communication issue).

To me, I feel like the simplest way to fix the issues is to split the Q into solos and premades. A Split Q would mean less issues with finding a group that will give you the role you want and in turn, end up with shorter wait times across the board. Then Riot could focus on how to get people the role they want in solo Q in a way not available when dealing with premade teams.

But that's just my take on the problem, I'm not the one looking at the numbers and running tests to see what works and what doesn't. They mentioned the goal is to get matches together quickly, give you your preferred role 99% of the time and have teams be as evenly matched as possible, so as long as they're not bull shiting about those goals, I'm happy.

SuperSourCatJun 1, 20166 votes

People are too impatient for riot to work on the system so they are going to flip shit right now and complain because they like to pull rank and say the lower rank players wouldn't understand because they are all trash.

ThumpinMay 31, 20166 votes

No team has had a double duo since season 2 under the old system. They specifically removed that possibility due to the exact same complaints that people have about the current dynamic queue.

Biggg OJun 1, 20162 votes

Old solo queue could have 1 duo queue on each team, you couldn't have multiple duo queues on each team.

BakedLotionJun 1, 20163 votes

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About time.

Probably is not very functional right now since it has issues at higher elo, but better this than the old joke of the solo Q. That, in truth, it was not a SoloQ as many want to claim since you could queque as a duo and you could easily end up in teams with double duos ignoring each other.

But hey, i am just a silver. Probably my opinion means nothing to the goldplatlords here that want to shout and scream claiming to be the majority and to have only right ideas here.

"We agree dynamic queue standings don't reflect pure individual skill as well as a solo ladder" "We agree dynamic queue standings don't reflect pure individual skill as well as a solo ladder" "We agree dynamic queue standings don't reflect pure individual skill as well as a solo ladder" "We agree dynamic queue standings don't reflect pure individual skill as well as a solo ladder"

NotSpecialDudeMay 31, 201624 votes

Eh, I'll manage.

Honestly from what I've seen, most want everything DQ gives EXCEPT the premades thing. I hear minor complaints about fill being support, but its only the Premade thing that is out of the players control that we have to deal with.

I figure that they are going to axe 4 premades and separate 5 man ranked in S7 but otherwise the queue will not change.

If people leave the game for this I doubt it will stick. I could bet that most will come back at season's end with the rest in the beginning of S7.

So I'm just gonna sit back and calmly watch the insanity as it proceeds.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

GayFluffyUnicornJun 1, 20165 votes

Role selection has nothing to do with DQ. If you talk about DQ, talk about: Q up with any number of premades in ranked. If you talk about role selection/pick/bans talk about NCS=new champion select.

RoodToobMay 31, 201623 votes

People will freak out, which is to be expected. However many people stop reading at that sentence, or don't even click on the article, just your post. This is an issue, because as much as Solo Queue is gone, Riot does NOT want to get rid of solo players. They say that DQ is no where near perfect, and they want to adjust it so Solos have a better experience.

So please, quit league temporarily if you must, but come back once adjustments to the queue have been made for solo players, and try 10 or so games then. If its not for you, thats okay, normals or other games might be better for you, but just saying I'm quitting because Riot does not care about Solo players is ridiculous. Solo players are needed to make DQ successful, they want you as much as a premade for this queue

VladimirSnakeyesJun 1, 20167 votes

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RoodToobJun 1, 20161 votes

They say they are trying to make things better for solo players. Wether you believe them or not, thats up to you. I haven't seen them lie enough to believe they are just saying stuff. The solo queue is coming back fiasco feels like a lie to everyone who really wants it of course, but if they made a rash statement at the beginning of the year, then soon(Ish) they correct themselves saying it was rash and they are not sure yet. Ill still believe then until they straight up spit in the community's face in general (If anyone has played WoW recently, you know what i mean)

YordlelayhehooMay 31, 201617 votes

those of us who said the casual infestation will ruin this game, were proven right when they announced this. Just a matter of time now before this games playerbase drives out the competitive players and a new company will come along with a modern moba and replace the micro-transaction scam this game has become.

KirbanatorMay 31, 201618 votes

People have lives you know, that's the majority of casual players. It's fact that as you grow up, your time is valuable. So saying that there is a "casual infestation" is stupid. You are basically saying "Eat, Sleep, Breathe LoL, or don't ever play". I thought the point of video games was to have fun, no matter who the person is. You can't stop time dude, you aren't ekko or zilean.

Let the downvotes commence.

Voluug13Jun 1, 201610 votes

Dude, I barely play 1 hour at half a day but I dont go around trying to carry my GF/BF or AFK'ing to fuck up my team or trolling other players around with my premades because majority gave me ownership of a game or picing Disco Nunu because lulz.

When people mean ''casual'' they mean people who are often inconsiderate of anyone taking the game seriously in any moment.

Most premades I have to play with act like idiots on top of feeding and trolling.

Riot is trying to force people into gathering in premades for playing, and only because of some shoddy study that says that people that play with friends have a 0.0005% more chances of buying things with cash. Not the ''less toxiciness'' they parade around.

DeynaTaggerungJun 1, 201610 votes

No, those are the premades you notice, they stick out because you don't like their attitude. There's actually a lot of premades that are pretty low key about it and you just don't notice they're in your game. Also a lot of solo players feed and troll because they're angry at everyone else. Pre-mades are probably less likely to because it means that everyone in the group has to be ok with it or else the others will tell him to calm down or drop him/her from the group.

WheatloafJun 1, 20169 votes

People complain now about premades trolling. Used to be a never-ending torrent of complaints about random solo/duos trolling. Trolls will be trolls, that's not DQ's fault, and there are systems in place to weed them out of the game.

ModCaptainMårvelousJun 1, 20162 votes

Naw, I'm pretty sure the MOBA market has stagnated and people aren't interested anymore.

While League won't reveal player statistics, DoTA2's kinda plateau'd at around 13 million players and common logins slowly going down. SMITE and HotS probably experience the same thing. A new moba coming out would be like an MMO coming out in 2009/2010.

If Overwatch/Battleborn are as successful as we assume they might be, those games will take over. As it is now, the general interest in mobas has stagnated and I highly doubt anyone is interested in making or picking up a new one. Maybe in a few years but none of them are gonna last. It's the MMO bubble all over again.

PrometheSMay 31, 201614 votes

It's nonsense. Clumping every queue configuration together makes no sense for ranked ladder since solo to 5-man are different skills and experiences (plus possible voice chat/pre-game advantages). No matter how hard you try to adjust it, it's inherently a broken system if you take competitive play seriously. There is simply no other way around it. That's the problem for me. It's not just unfair matchmaking, it's that it lacks validity as a ranking system since it doesn't force consistency in the experience despite putting everything on a single ladder.

They could at least show a solo ranking separately though even if it's all DQ still.

KVbqbFsC8eMay 31, 201614 votes

Well, at least they finally admitted it. Still doesn't absolve them from being lying scumbags though.

Burnt LightJun 1, 20163 votes

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Well, at least they finally admitted it. Still doesn't absolve them from being lying scumbags though.

Which I me and many others made apparently clear and everybody was like "NU, RIOT NEVER LIES"

Crowe StalkerMay 31, 201612 votes

It's nice of them to finally say, definitively, that SoloQue is not coming back. Honestly it's probably better this way, but obviously one has to wonder if Riot will ever find a way to make SoloQueuers happy, like some method to affect LP based on you queueing by yourself (maybe reduction of lost LP as a way to say 'Sorry your team was shit.' ? )

JofeyyMay 31, 201610 votes

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Phoenix Kotori May 31, 20169 votes

If you want solo queue just git gud & get diamond xD! [slayer-jinx-wink]

Packun FlowerMay 31, 20169 votes

I have already uninstalled.

Later folks.

AqamdaxMay 31, 20169 votes

I might be the only one, but I like playing solo...

DJ S0NAMay 31, 20163 votes

You are not the only one.

AntonokMay 31, 20169 votes

My thoughts are: What in the...?

You say you want to promote partying/queing with friends, but only in low level play. ...okay...

And then you say you want to prioritize champion selection... except you then go to say you're looking at implementing a 'forced selection' where you can get any role.

Okay, so you want to force the new system until it doesn't work then implement the old system BECAUSE it worked while the new system doesn't...?

I repeat: What in the fu....?

Snow TeaMay 31, 20169 votes

we don't care... cuz we got overwatch now

MiraweaveJun 1, 20169 votes

I've made the decision to probably not play League anymore.

AhristocatsMay 31, 20167 votes

yea i'm wondering if i should keep playing after coming back or not, probably came in the wrong season

Dominick DestineJun 1, 20167 votes

Leaving the game after 6 years .

This is not arbitrary, check my post history and I was one of the many that was very stoked about them announcing True Solo Queue after Dynamic Queue. They betrayed us .... I never liked Forced Team Queue (aka Dynamic Queue) , it ruined the game for me. It's over, I'm moving to another game and it makes me sad, but Riot made it clear they do not care about solo players, so fuck 'em.

Praetor DonMay 31, 20165 votes

Sadness

ModAcademy KaynJun 1, 20165 votes

A lot of comments in this post give me hope back for the sensible part of the community T~T.

Large MinivanMay 31, 20164 votes

rip solo q

KudrovJun 1, 20164 votes

In the Video, Lobbster, the main dev for DynamicQ said : "we never had that much peoples playing ranked right now" to trying to tell us there never been that much players playing since DynamicQ come out like it was a great thing.

well no shit sherlock whats left?

SoloQ GONE, Ranked's 5 GONE, TwistedTreeline ranked GONE, TeamBuilder GONE, Dominon GONE.

is it me or the next STEP is League of Legend GONE.

The IllithidJun 1, 20162 votes

Going to every single DQ thread and copy-pasting the same thing is ridiculous. Have my downvote, sir.

KudrovJun 1, 20162 votes

so its mean you gone urself in every single DQ thread, i am glad you did, get my upvote sir.

GlîtchyJun 1, 20163 votes

My thoughts.....

Screw that bullshit.

PixTronJun 2, 20163 votes

"We-we 'screwed' up, w-well we didn't ac-actually... bu-but it's YOUR fault, stupid fanbase! Fuck off! We got your money now, whatcha gonna do it?"

-Riot 2016

ExcitableOysterJun 1, 20162 votes

I get exponentially more toxic when I'm a solo guy playing with other 3/4 mans. Trying to control that anger but it just doesn't help. Its not really a fun game anymore if I'm only abusing my sanity by playing it alone. Gotta wait for friends to get online or I just can't seem to find an enjoyable match.