Can we please buff tristana's base attack speed?

Starcall Casey··11 votes·1,584 views

She gains 1.10 attack speed per level compared to other adc's that's the lowest in the game. At the very least give her more attack speed per level. It would be nice to also get some more damage on her W or a longer duration on Q.

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Kouga3 votes

You do realize that her Q grants her a max of %110 attack speed at 5th rank? Hence why she has a lower base attack speed.

So in short: no

Starcall Casey3 votes

Her Q has a long cooldown and only gives her a bonus based on her base attack speed. Hence why she feels weak.

Kouga2 votes

Tristana: max 110% for 5 seconds, 20 sec cooldown which can be reduced to 15 by attacking her Explosive Charge target.

MF: Max 60% for 6 seconds, 16 sec cooldown. Trist gets almost double buff for almost same length of time and CD

Draven: Can potentially extend the duration as long as he has mana with its refresh, but it is only 40% AS buff, about 1/3 of Trist's, for only 3 seconds if he doesn't refresh it. If he fails the refresh its a 12 sec CD, so only a few seconds shorter.

Graves: max 70% for 4 seconds. Less buff, shorter duration. Max 14 sec CD, and can be reduced, so is closer to ~8-10 seconds, so it does have a considerably shorter CD.

Its a long-ish cooldown for a steroid, but not that much, and the bonus still heavily outshines other rADCs. It also fits with her gameplay; Tristana is supposed to be a guerilla fighter, ambushing an enemy with an Explosive Charge, building up the damage and blowing them up before she RocketJumps away. Combined with her ult, she has strong disengage, so the CD really doesn't hurt her.

Nilok3 votes

Part of the problem is her attack speed growth at max level is so low compared to the others. The reason Draven's attack speed buff is so low is because his base attack speed is so high.

Level 18 attack speed: Tristana: 0.82328, MF: 0.991872, Graves: 0.933125, Draven: .990661.

Buffed, Tristana does come out ahead, but is much more reliant on it do wave clear, especially at early levels since it grows slowly at low levels.

Level 18 attack speed with buff: Tristana: 1.54488, MF: 1.385472, Graves: 1.370625, Draven: 1.262261.

All of the other attack speed buffs you listed also grant a secondary bonus, bonus damage and grievous wounds on MF, a dash on graves, and a 60% speed boost on Draven. Furthermore, Both Graves and Draven have the ability to reduce the cooldown without a cap (stupid Explosive Charge), attacking non-structures with Graves by 1 seconds and simply catching an axe for a full refresh on Draven.

Honestly, if they reverted her attack speed growth and 2.5 and reverted Rapid Fire to 7 seconds of 90%, she would be in a better spot.

Baculus1 votes

Nilok, your comparison is accurate but still misleading. Tristana's scaling for EVERY attackspeed item in the game is lower than the other champions, if you compare a full build, then champs like MF can surpass her even with Rapid Fire up.

Chief Mayonnaise2 votes

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She gains 1.10 attack speed per level compared to other adc's that's the lowest in the game.

Jinx attack speed per level=1%. Trist attack speed per level=1.5%

Your argument is invalid.

Starcall Casey1 votes

Tristana's attack speed per level is (+1.10%) per level Jinx's attack speed per level is (+0.700%) per level.

Given the facts that Trist has a 110% attack speed boost for 5 seconds, but Jinx can have a 130% attack speed boost forever, Your argument is invalid.

All number's are taken from the official LoL Wiki

BestTristMyHaus1 votes

Jinx's "default" attack has an attack speed buff (yeah, you can toggle it off for range, but the default is speed) that scales up to HIGHER than Tristana's steroid at max level. Jinx is not really the example to use to compare speed to Trist.

Chief Mayonnaise1 votes

Got my numbers off of the main league website and the Wiki. I just didn't like it that you said the lowest attack speed scaling in game.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions%27_attack_speed

http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/tristana/

http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/jinx/

You can also make the argument that Jinx has to be in shorter range for her attack speed to apply while Trist has 144 range on her at max level, but this thread is about attack speed.

But I do agree a small base attack speed increase probably wouldn't hurt.

Maikal1 votes

Support. Until then, I'll just stick with Nami adc.

ProfDrDeath1 votes

Instead of the per-level values, I think that they should just touch-up the base AS of which all increases are calculated. Current value is 0.656.

This would raise her overall power, while retaining the power surge/power dump aspect of Rapid Fire.

Bodkins Odds1 votes

Am I the only one who doesn't feel like Tristana is weak right now?

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