Why can't frozen heart just be a generic hp+mana+20% cdr item?

DiveAlive·Jan 25, 2020·3 votes·1,719 views

like everyone keeps trying to tell you, having nothing but high armor just doesn't work for an early purchase.

honestly, omen/thornmail/tabis are just fine for high physical damage reduction, specifically as 2nd or 3rd armor options.

I could see frozen heart with as low as 50-60 armor and +300-400 hp.

usually when u need armor asap you've already invested 1100g into tabi's, so building into heart will severely delay magic resistance, bonus hp, and near-mandatory grevous wounds.

So your items slots end up looking like this:

now I must have around 2k before being able to complete items and have no room for pinks/pots.

13 Comments

boricCentaur1Jan 25, 20202 votes

Because we don't need that. We already have sunfire and iceborn. Tanks don't need better stat items(not for armor at least) the passive is the real problem it's not good.

MrFawknSunshineJan 25, 20202 votes

well yes and no about the passive being the problem

the issue lies is its not an optimal item unless facing multiple auto attackers

the 10 armor buff was a joke

the fact it proves no regen or no hp makes it a subpar tank item to other armor items

boricCentaur1Jan 25, 20202 votes

If the passive was buffed to 30% or something that would make the item a actual choice like 15% isn't felt much by the time you get into team fights and it is really only effective in some trades. Tanks shouldn't have items that have everything that isn't fun and it's not fun to buy items because of stats.

It doesn't need hp or regen TANKS DON'T NEED THAT tanks already HAVE THOSE ITEMS and adding more just makes itemization fucking boring since all items give the same shit.

Trade offs are fun. You should lose something for buying a item. Like I said buff the passive make the passive the reason you buy it. You get a strong passive for a item that gives inefficient stats.

Having items be bought for the passive first and the stats second so WAY more fun especially when playing a tank in my opinion.

Also yes that buff was fucking useless and it makes the balance team look incompetent. Like maybe if they buffed it by idk 40 armor MAYBE 30 it would of been a nice buff.

MrFawknSunshineJan 25, 20201 votes

i dont disagree that it dont need hp

but the reason its not picked up over other tank items is the lack of HP 110 armor is nothing when you have no hp, and considering all the access to true damage in game now having an item that gives no hp is trash.

regardless if you buff the passive.

but maybe just maybe a redesign of the item might be ideal

like item 3082 + item 3010 that gives an attack speed debuff , the catalyst passive with some hp/mana

Anu3isIIJan 25, 20201 votes

I don't think it's impossible to make Frozen Heart work. Iceborn has the same stats, yet it is picked by a lot of tanks, reason being that the passive is very good. If Frozen Heart's passive felt at least as good, it would be a more popular choice.

RealDsyJan 25, 20201 votes

Iceborn might be worse than frozen at the moment. If you compare iceborn to sunfire: Sunfire much more effective health same or more damage in 1v1 duels. No need spam abilities to minions.

Anu3isIIJan 25, 20201 votes

You can't compare these 2 items mainly because Iceborn offers a semi-spammable slow and lots of CDR, which are very powerful tools for a tank. In terms of damage, I agree Sunfire is more powerful, but there is way more to Iceborn than Sunfire can offer.

2Charmnot2CharmJan 25, 20201 votes

Because we don't need that.

Whats the counter to burst damage? HP

Whats the counter to true damage? HP

Did the amount of true damage stay the same as it was back in season 6? NO

Will this 100 armor prevent a mage from bursting me? No

Another year of this item being absolutely worthless I guess.

Riot might as well delete it since they can’t be bothered to balance items no one uses.

boricCentaur1Jan 25, 20202 votes

Guy it's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about.

Like again tanks DON'T NEED MORE HP ITEMS. There is more then enough.

A high armor item shouldn't have hp that's the trade off.

Also you act like this item has always been bad when it hasn't at all.

2Charmnot2CharmJan 25, 20201 votes

If your only defense is that “tanks has enough items” then you automatically failed.

When there are multiple items that do a better job than x item, then what is the point of ever using it?

Thornmail and Omen have attack speed slow while also giving more than just armor, nothing you say will change how forzen heart has become worthless since season 6.

boricCentaur1Jan 26, 20201 votes

Yeah YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN ME WRONG YET. Yeah the item isn't good I NEVER SAID IT WAS I did say it hasn't always been bad which you basically backpedal into saying it WAS good after basically saying it was always bad lol.

Like you clearly HAVEN'T A IDEA OF WHAT I'M ARGUING ABOUT. My argument is the item doesn't need hp it needs its passive buffed and giving it hp makes itemization boring since there is little trade offs.

Tornmail,sunfire, omen and others all give hp and health meaning adding another isn't needed.

Like iceborn has been good many times and is still good WITHOUT ANY HP why since the passive is good.

2Charmnot2CharmJan 26, 20201 votes