Thank you everyone that exhaustively begged for nerfs on her kit. We finally got what we deserved and she deserved. Straight nerf bat to the head to knock her out of the rift. Thanks riot. Fiora won't be missed, not even in competitive.
I can now rest in piece and wait for the Poppy nerfs, and finally can play top lane without getting crushed in lane (not if Poppy is a problem to me. I love playing Poppy :) )
Slythion5 votesIt's been what? A day since the nerf? You're gonna need to wait longer than that for Fiora players to get used to having to play her without tank before talking about people doing bad with her
Blitzidious4 votesYeah, let the scumbags get used to the fairer way to play Fiora. (I'm extemely salty and biased. I hate Fiora. :p)
ßurst1 votesI already did and carried twice ;) same thing
Mecha MaIphite4 votesWhat's your source?
DJ S0NA2 votesThe site is not updated yet. You can check OP.GG and choose the "today" stats.
Abyssphere2 votesWhat's your source?
"We are currently aggregating patch 6.6 data - check back in 2 days!" - the champion.gg banner.
LegitBusinessman3 votesOh man what is CLG gonna do the only way they know how to win is abusing Fiora split push XD
ScumbagZed1 votesi was thinking the same thing clg doesn't win unless their trash top laner plays broken split pushers
Yordle Xayah2 voteshttp://i.imgur.com/69iVAbJ.png
What was that again? https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/89924/1.0
DJ S0NA2 votesOP.GG says otherwise 
Tormentula2 votesOP.GG only updates every few hours, sometimes days. Could just be a bad day in general. 45% isn't majorily low and can rise.
Yordle Xayah4 votesActually, it's about the same in op.gg https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/89924/1.0
Abyssphere3 votesActually... https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/89924/1.0
You are truly atrocious at using stats. The patch has been out for a day and you are arguing on the back of data spanning an entire month. Jesus.
Abyssphere1 votes"Past 7 days". Try again.
Abyssphere1 voteshttp://i.imgur.com/69iVAbJ.png
What was that again? https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/89924/1.0
Lolking is incorporating literally 0 data from the new patch right now. It's irrelevant information.
Abyssphere1 votesShow me where you got that info rather than posting a tiny screencap with no link and I will tell you if the data is accurate or not. Given that looks like it's another tab on Lolking I'm going to say it isn't.
Why are you so insistent on linking any data site you can get without bothering to check when the data is from?
YCitizenSnipsY2 votesThat's from champion.gg.
Which literally says right across the top "We are currently aggregating patch 6.6 data - check back in two days."
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
He just filtered all champions by win rates, which all data is from the old patch.
Abyssphere1 votesThat's from champion.gg.
Which literally says right across the top "We are currently aggregating patch 6.6 data - check back in two days."
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
He just filtered all champions by win rates, which all data is from the old patch.
Ah, thank you. I really should have recognised that! Well then that's a 4th broken source he's used.
Yordle Xayah1 votesInstead, why don't you show me where it says her win ratio is below 45%? That shouldn't be hard, right? No need to be rude. And I'm not a he.
Abyssphere1 votesInstead, why don't you show me where it says her win ratio is below 45%? That shouldn't be hard, right? No need to be rude. And I'm not a he.
The OP himself said where he got the stats from. As I said elsewhere in the thread I do not particularly like the source used (op.gg daily) but using outright outdated data does nothing to refute it.
And it's not rude to ask someone posting sources for an argument to actually check if their sources are worthwhile. There's no excuse for posting stats from sites that clearly say "No data for this patch yet!" or that have a clear indicator that the stats contain data from previous patches (op.gg's monthly data contains data from the two previous patches, lol). It is frustrating to point out a problem with someone's evidence and have them continue to post different evidence with the same problems, clearly without paying attention to what is being said to them. That's such a pointless extension of the argument.
Yordle Xayah1 votesWell, I'm sorry.
It's just that going to every other site and seeing it be around 50% just made me rise an eyebrow, and op.gg itself confuses me. It has 3 stats: The one I posted, then the daily one below 45% and then another one that says like 60%
So yeah, I'm sorry. But I still don't think I can't be fault that bad for doubting the reliability of the info.
LilxPaprika2 votesJust to be clear we call for nerfs to balance champions not to make them weaker than the rest.
xl Kirito lx2 votesOr, they could just rework her into something else oppressive. % max hp true damage is incredibly toxic.
I don't suppose anyone remembers the odd Fiora rework that they never went through with? The specifics of her Q-W-E are lost to me, but her ultimate revolved around empowering basic abilities, and reducing their cooldown for a specific number of casts. Seemed like it would've made her an incredible duelist, but weak in teamfights. It would've felt more "duelist" then what she has now, imo.
67chrome1 votes% max hp true damage is incredibly toxic.
Not any more toxic than projectile-blocking shields, uncleansable CC, invulnerability, untargetability, or a wide range of other mechanics that limit 1 avenue of counter play to force strategic and tactical thinking over resorting to using the same plan over and over and over again to deal with everything.
Counter-building foes not always working isn't toxic.
Counter-builds always being something that works to shut an opponent down usually does result in fairly bad game play experiences though.
Seemed like it would've made her an incredible duelist, but weak in teamfights. It would've felt more "duelist" then what she has now, imo.
Yeah: but the issue with making a fighter or assassin in LoL isn't making them feel like a good duelist, it's actually making them want to team-fight.
A big example of how good-duelst, bad teamfighter turns out in practice is 
.
Uses his dueling kit to duel towers 24/7. Doesn't team fight, because split-pushing and back-dooring is just so much better for him.
That doesn't really create a good experience for Trynd, Trynd's team, or Trynd's opponents. LoL favors teamwork to much: and having a champion that's only good at dueling is to niche of a plus to be the only thing there kit offers.
xl Kirito lx2 votesI consider it toxic, because there's no way to play against it. You can't stack armor or health. The closest thing is a shield style, like Sterak's Gage. Many people consider Ekko's ulti toxic, since it's a out to most things. But Ekko has to have amazing timing for his ultimate to do damage, and typically it functions defensively. Yas wall can be baited, Naut ult you win, Fizz/Vladimir have a cost associated with their untargetability.
Tryndamere is interesting. In theory, the concept should work. I don't think people dislike the champion because of his splitpush style of game play, but how RNG based it is. Either tryndamere gets 3+ crits and wins lane, or he doesn't and loses lane. Especially in a snowball meta, a champion with free early crit chance tends to be unfavored.
67chrome1 votesI consider it toxic, because there's no way to play against it. You can't stack armor or health.
There's a lot more to counter play than wearing the right padding before getting hit in the face.
You can move out of the way so you don't get hit in the face. You can poke someone from a distance they can't hit you back.
Also: as a fan of games like Spyro, Castlevania, Mario, Crash Bandicoot, and Starwars Battlefront where there is no gear-scaling in the game at all and all damage is essentially %max HP damage by extension: not seeing %max HP damage as toxic in any way.
Considering the depth LoL offers outside of face-tanking all your problems away: you might also want to consider ways to deal with problems that don't involve face-tanking.
Tryndamere is interesting. In theory, the concept should work. I don't think people dislike the champion because of his splitpush style of game play, but how RNG based it is.
In practice, it doesn't.
In theory: LoL is also a 5v5 game that pretty much always ends at the back of a 5v5 fight, rendering good dueling potential at the expense of team-fight potential pretty devastating.
Also: it's pretty annoying facing champions like Tryndamere that have a shtick of winning 1v1 fights. In Tryndamere's case it's more 25~30 minutes in that starts because his early game is nothing short of terrible, but still. It's generally less annoying fighting against champions like Shyvana, Mundo, and Trundle that are ok at a wide range of things despite being pretty solid duelists: as there's more outplay potential and when you die to them it tends to feel more fair, rather than someone's pet hamster scuttling around on the keyboard and winning a duel anyways because the game's code says so.
While having a natural advantage in duels has a place in LoL due to the game's balance being about blowing up the Nexus rather than being a 1v1 area, going to far in dueling potential (which is pretty necessary at the expense of team-fight potential) really isn't any fun for anybody.
blfUvZ8Ybu2 votesThe biggest problem for Fiora, unfortunately her kit.
Riot didn't give true kit.She had broken kit every time.
Before rework;Toxic kit
After rework;Broken kit.
So we won't miss.
Weiner the Pooh2 votesDon't worry she'll hover at 45% win rate forever now. :D It's fucking stupid how much these cry babies cried and now she's going to be useless.
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Don't worry she'll hover at 45% win rate forever now. :D It's fucking stupid how much these cry babies cried and now she's going to be useless.
Someone's salty that their broken champion got nerfed.
You should be happy. If she stays around 45% winrate and becomes unpopular, she'll get reworked again. Everyone wins. :D
Abyssphere2 votesI find daily op.gg stats to be terribly unreliable so I wouldn't make a judgment just yet, but we'll see.
Baby Ghoul2 votesI could only see Fiora being a terror and must ban in high ELO.
Every Fiora I've come across since her rework in Gold or below has been a complete let down, even when fed. There are so many other top lane champions that I'm afraid of because of the nature of low ELO. High utility outplay champions are not as useful as oppressive upfront damage.
I used to play the old Fiora, and she was the opposite. A terror in low ELO, easy to manage and almost non existent in high ELO.
% max HP true damage should only make tank mains salty because it's meant for them. I never had a problem with it if I had a decent medium sized health pool.
It's funny that the bandwagon people are crying and downvoting everyone who doesn't agree with them outright. They're exactly the reason why Fiora was in a constant state of imbalance, but I guess we have amnesia around here. When Fiora's rework was broadcast, everyone was saying how OP she would be, and then Riot released her. Everyone was incredibly underwhelmed, no one knew how to play her, so Riot buffed her. She has a pretty complicated kit despite what anyone says, so that buff everyone cried for was really stupid, same with everyone crying she would be OP before we even got to play her on the live servers. And here we are today, half a year later. G&B keeps jumping the gun, and the viscous cycle continues.
Also does anyone else think it's weird that people are still mixing up counterplay and counterbuild?
Daxanater1 votesim sorry but, its not over yet
beware its coming.
Daxanater1 voteslearn to take a joke whoever downvoted me lmao
Woook3r1 votesI like fiora. Just not her tankyness. Fix that.
pE4CbxDPQO1 votesI'd like to see her nerfed some more.
