Can we nerf Fiora?

Bultz·Oct 12, 2016·4 votes·1,301 views

I just played a game against her, but this goes for previous games against her as well. I played Yasuo this time, I was 3/1 ahead of her in kills. She got one item and it was gg. Her kit is really over kill. At one point she ran into my tower without minions and killed me. Like why is she mr so high without items? I build grievous wound to counter her life steal, nothing. At another point I had knocked her up ulted her, ignited her, had grievous wound, had a like 27% life steal myself, and I had to run, which I couldn't do because she is toxic as it gets, and With what little like she had she rna into tower and killed me.

And this is a bad fiora. I've seen people who main her. It's so broken.

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RalanrOct 12, 20166 votes

Broly, can I call you Broly? I'm gonna be frank with you.

You are not a good player.

I do not mean this to insult you, but to help you. Because you seem to not understand this. In basically every game in your match history you are in the double digits in deaths. Something goes wrong and it goes wrong hard, even if you have a positive KDA it's still in the double digits.

I think you should be asking for help on how to improve rather than asking for nerfs on champions or builds that annoy you. Because these forums, and Reddit (especially summoner school) can be really helpful for learning tips and getting better.

So please, in the future do not ask for nerfs. Ask for advice.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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Broly, can I call you Broly? I'm gonna be frank with you.

You are not a good player.

I do not mean this to insult you, but to help you. Because you seem to not understand this. In basically every game in your match history you are in the double digits in deaths. Something goes wrong and it goes wrong hard, even if you have a positive KDA it's still in the double digits.

I think you should be asking for help on how to improve rather than asking for nerfs on champions or builds that annoy you. Because these forums, and Reddit (especially summoner school) can be really helpful for learning tips and getting better.

So please, in the future do not ask for nerfs. Ask for advice.

Let me be fucking frank with you. I go on 12-20 game win streaks. And I use to do that all the time. But they nerfed Yasuo into the ground and keep doing so. Meanwhile there are champions who need serious nerfs, but no one wants to admit it.

You telling me I need to play can be shoved right back up your ass.

I use to go on fucking page long win streaks. But they fucking broke the game. Adc buff, Yasuo got shat on. Juggernaut buff, Yasuo got Shat on. Mage buff, Yasuo got shat on. Whiney bitches cry about yasuo, he gets nerfed.

But bringing my shit up and telling me I'm bad, do you want me to bring up that losing streak that is your history? I know when something is broken, just because you don't think so, doesn't mean I am a skilless moron you insinuate I am.

RalanrOct 12, 20165 votes

1/15 Aurelion Sol.

Again I don't mean to insult and I'm sorry that you take it that way. But Yasuo isn't in a bad spot at 50% winrate in top. So he's not exactly weak because of the nerfs.

If you relied too much on the tank Yasuo build to carry, then I'm sorry to say that you relied on the wrong thing to judge your skill on.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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1/15 Aurelion Sol.

Again I don't mean to insult and I'm sorry that you take it that way. But Yasuo isn't in a bad spot at 50% winrate in top. So he's not exactly weak because of the nerfs.

If you relied too much on the tank Yasuo build to carry, then I'm sorry to say that you relied on the wrong thing to judge your skill on.

4/10 karthus. 7/13 sion.

Win rate indicates nothing and is the dumbest source. His win rate is high because low elo players play him and win because other low elo players don't play enough to know how to counter him. Get in a higher elo and no one plays Yasuo.

I never built tank Yasuo. I was going on winstreaks with just his old build.

RalanrOct 12, 20161 votes

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4/10 karthus. 7/13 sion.

Win rate indicates nothing and is the dumbest source. His win rate is high because low elo players play him and win because other low elo players don't play enough to know how to counter him. Get in a higher elo and no one plays Yasuo.

Champion GG uses plat and above.

And in all honesty if your KDA is commonly in the double digits then you're doing something wrong.

I never built tank Yasuo. I was going on winstreaks with just his old build.

Then why do you complain about Riot nerfing his armor build? They effectively made his crit build more important because of it.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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Champion GG uses plat and above.

And in all honesty if your KDA is commonly in the double digits then you're doing something wrong.

your kda is betteR? mfker plz.

Then why do you complain about Riot nerfing his armor build? They effectively made his crit build more important because of it.

They did nothing of the sort, they took away my ability to buy anything other then crit first. lowering his attack speed and taking his armor pen affect his normal build harder then anything else.

Critmaster GarenOct 12, 20162 votes

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your kda is betteR? mfker plz.

usually everyones k/d/a is better. being double digits in deaths is something pretty rare in general. even from what ive spectated in lower divisions.

if that happens every single game, then please just listen to advise. its you, not the state of game balance.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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usually everyones k/d/a is better. being double digits in deaths is something pretty rare in general.

you are not even listed please don't comment.

Critmaster GarenOct 12, 20162 votes

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you are not even listed please don't comment.

do you just want to vent? mean is it that? then say so and dont make people waste their time trying to help you.

otherwise, there is good news for you. riot is in the process of including a replay feature. you can actually already download different programs that record your games.

so next time youre playing, you can either watch the replay yourself or post it hre on the forums and people can tell you what youre doing wrong.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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do you just want to vent? mean is it that? then say so and dont make people waste their time trying to help you.

You are telling me I am bad. you are a troll. you don't even have a game in your match history. please. stop.

otherwise, there is good news for you. riot is in the process of including a replay feature. you can actually already download different programs that record your games.

Yeah it is good because we can address the bullshit.

so next time youre playing, you can either watch the replay yourself or post it hre on the forums and people can tell you what youre doing wrong.

WHat did i do wrong please tell me 3 kills ahead. took her tower. more cs. please tell me how she went from 0/4 to killing me in 1v1s when i stayed under tower.

RalanrOct 12, 20161 votes

Well for one, kills don't make you more durable unless you're building defenses (Yasuo doesn't scale that well with levels). So even if you are ahead, it's still possible to kill you with enough damage.

Fiora also can proc vitals for %health true damage, which allows her to keep up as a threat when behind as long as she plays well.

And I'm not sure what her having no MR has to do with anything. Turrets do physical damage and Yasuo only does magic damage on his E.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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Well for one, kills don't make you more durable unless you're building defenses (Yasuo doesn't scale that well with levels). So even if you are ahead, it's still possible to kill you with enough damage.

Fiora also can proc vitals for %health true damage, which allows her to keep up as a threat when behind as long as she plays well.

And I'm not sure what her having no MR has to do with anything. Turrets do physical damage and Yasuo only does magic damage on his E.

The life steal i built, and grevious wound, along with my speed is supposed to counter her one life steal item build. Considering she had no deff items at that point she had no advantage.

being behind and still viable is broken. that is what broken means.

she had ninja tabs only for deff and that let her tank 4 hits easy? no.

RalanrOct 12, 20161 votes

You only built vampiric. Not sure that was enough. Even your warlords lifesteal might not cut it in an extended duel since she had fervor.

A short but constant trade would be enough to amp her AA to hurt you enough.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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You only built vampiric. Not sure that was enough. Even your warlords lifesteal might not cut it in an extended duel since she had fervor.

A short but constant trade would be enough to amp her AA to hurt you enough.

At that point in the game it should be enough. denied her life steal item 3123 . my own life steal with masteries, runes and items. More speed then her. more kills and cs. For her to be able to kill me with barely one item is broken.

RalanrOct 12, 20161 votes

You're forgetting fervor of battle.

RalanrOct 12, 20162 votes

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They did nothing of the sort, they took away my ability to buy anything other then crit first. lowering his attack speed and taking his armor pen affect his normal build harder then anything else.

Uhh...isn't that supposed to be what Yasuo needs to rush first? So he can benefit from his double crit passive?

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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Uhh...isn't that supposed to be what Yasuo needs to rush first? So he can benefit from his double crit passive?

no that was never a thing. that is a stupid idea riot is trying to enforce. that is why Yasuo was 6th best mid even when he was considered broken.

Critmaster GarenOct 12, 20162 votes

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no that was never a thing. that is a stupid idea riot is trying to enforce. that is why Yasuo was 6th best mid even when he was considered broken.

yasuo was designed as a squishy, mobile melee adc with high outplay potential. he was always meant to focus on critical strikes.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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yasuo was designed as a squishy, mobile melee adc with high outplay potential. he was always meant to focus on critical strikes.

Yeah, but not forced to rush it. And never meant to be squishy either, but meant to build at least 2 tanky items.

RalanrOct 12, 20161 votes

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no that was never a thing. that is a stupid idea riot is trying to enforce. that is why Yasuo was 6th best mid even when he was considered broken.

As if being in the top 10 is a bad thing...

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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As if being in the top 10 is a bad thing...

Considering his popularity, win rate, and how no other champions are played , it's horrible.

Critmaster GarenOct 12, 20162 votes

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Let me be fucking frank with you. I go on 12-20 game win streaks. And I use to do that all the time. But they nerfed Yasuo into the ground and keep doing so. Meanwhile there are champions who need serious nerfs, but no one wants to admit it.

You telling me I need to play can be shoved right back up your ass.

I use to go on fucking page long win streaks. But they fucking broke the game. Adc buff, Yasuo got shat on. Juggernaut buff, Yasuo got Shat on. Mage buff, Yasuo got shat on. Whiney bitches cry about yasuo, he gets nerfed.

But bringing my shit up and telling me I'm bad, do you want me to bring up that losing streak that is your history? I know when something is broken, just because you don't think so, doesn't mean I am a skilless moron you insinuate I am.

even if yasuo were underpowered, which hes not. hes pretty decent.

even when playing an underpowered or weak champion, there is no excuse for dieing throughout a game as much as you do. the only way i can explain this, is if youre playing completely aggro all the time no matter how far behind you are.

youre problably one of those guys who hits a tornado and then ults 1v5 into the enemy team while hes 0/8.

on top of that youre playing a mechanically very demanding champion.

id suggest you start with an easier champion to get some basic grasp of laning and playing the game. most noticably how now to feed out of your ass every single game.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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even if yasuo were underpowered, which hes not. hes pretty decent.

all cc counters him, he is squishy. he needs to go in but gets killed if he does and with his nerf he can't build armor well.

even when playing an underpowered or weak champion, there is no excuse for dieing throughout a game as much as you do. the only way i can explain this, is if youre playing completely aggro all the time no matter how far behind you are.

Fiora dived me in my tower surrounded by my minions took 4 turret shots and walked out with over half hp. yup super aggro.

youre problably one of those guys who hits a tornado and then ults 1v5 into the enemy team while hes 0/8.

to stupid to reply to.

on top of that youre playing a mechanically very demanding champion.

id suggest you start with an easier champion to get some basic grasp of laning and playing the game. most noticably how now to feed out of your ass every single game.

I go on 20 game win streak but with the nerfs to yasuo it has become hard to do any with everyone being buffed. I have 800k ecp with yasuo and would destroy you.

ItsOrvalOct 12, 20164 votes

"I JUST played against a Fiora, I have no clue how to play against her or what her mechanics are. I fight her when she ults me, and I stun her when she uses her W. While she uses her W, I sit back and wait for it to go off cooldown to fight again. Fiora is broken, Riot please nerf."

I main Jayce, and Fiora is considered one of the top 3 hardest counters of Jayce. Yet I still do fine against her, and would not want her nerfed. Sure she is good when she gets fed, but one cc and shes dead.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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"I JUST played against a Fiora, I have no clue how to play against her or what her mechanics are. I fight her when she ults me, and I stun her when she uses her W. While she uses her W, I sit back and wait for it to go off cooldown to fight again. Fiora is broken, Riot please nerf."

I main Jayce, and Fiora is considered one of the top 3 hardest counters of Jayce. Yet I still do fine against her, and would not want her nerfed. Sure she is good when she gets fed, but one cc and shes dead.

you literally stay at distance and and shot her with jayce, it's not magic.

ItsOrvalOct 12, 20161 votes

You realize Jayce players get most their damage on their enemies by Q+E on their Cannon right? Which Fiora blocks with her W. Also most Jayce players will want to secure the kill when the enemy is running away by pressing Q+E in hammer mode. Doing that onto a Fiora will only slow you when she Ws.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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You realize Jayce players get most their damage on their enemies by Q+E on their Cannon right? Which Fiora blocks with her W. Also most Jayce players will want to secure the kill when the enemy is running away by pressing Q+E in hammer mode. Doing that onto a Fiora will only slow you when she Ws.

And Yasuo needs his tornado which she can block the knock up with so no ult for yasuo. just because you are greedy and want to kill her doesn't mean jayce is countered.

PhDs NutsOct 12, 20164 votes

I just think it's funny that a Yasuo is complaining about how the enemy champion only needed 1-2 items to kill them while behind.

CalabokOct 12, 20163 votes

she's fine. get wrecked once and come to the boards to whine. NICE*[slayer-jinx-wink]*

AnonagonOct 12, 20161 votes

Have you seen Fiora's title? She's called the Grand Duelist. She's built around 1v1s, and has the tools to be able to kill any champion in a fair 1v1 regardless of how ahead they might be. But if you die to her (unless she's insanely ahead), she has straight up outplayed you. And although 1v1s are innately tilted in her favor, you have the opportunity to outplay her too.

Yasuo vs Fiora is especially favorable to Fiora - her damage is spread out enough that the shield doesn't matter, she doesn't have any projectiles to windwall, and she can always save her W specifically for the tornado. However, there are a lot of things you can do to minimize her lead and avoid as many deaths as possible. Here's a few:

Ask for jungler help. She can be a little slippery but that doesn't mean she's immune to ganks. Even if ganks don't kill her, they'll discourage her from playing too aggressively and tower diving.
Don't take free hits. Fiora will try to poke by hitting Vitals with her Q - but since she's going to try to hit the Vitals, you know where she'll probably dash to. Try to always land a Q in response to hers.
Play around her cooldowns. Her W has a very long cooldown, so if you know its down, that's the time to play more aggressive and try to land tornadoes on her.
Don't commit too hard to a fight if her ultimate is up, and if she ults you and you aren't sure you are going to win, its probably best to retreat.
Items to buy against her if you are behind - Ninja Tabi if you are just a little behind, Randuins if you really need to buy a full defensive item. Even though she has %HP True Damage, the majority of her damage is still regular old physical damage, mostly from autoattacks. Don't buy Iceborn. That's actually just a waste of gold on Yasuo.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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Have you seen Fiora's title? She's called the Grand Duelist. She's built around 1v1s, and has the tools to be able to kill any champion in a fair 1v1 regardless of how ahead they might be.

That is the deffinition of broken m8. I'm ahead, outplayed her, killed her. 3 kills ahead, took her tower first, more cs, and she gets one item and gg. That isn't "good" player, that is broken champion.

But if you die to her (unless she's insanely ahead), she has straight up outplayed you. And although 1v1s are innately tilted in her favor, you have the opportunity to outplay her too.

I outplayed her, she bought item 3074 and stood there and killed me. She went into my tower, surrounded by my minions, took 4 turret shots with no mr, killed me, and elft with more than half hp.

Yasuo vs Fiora is especially favorable to Fiora - her damage is spread out enough that the shield doesn't matter, she doesn't have any projectiles to windwall, and she can always save her W specifically for the tornado. However, there are a lot of things you can do to minimize her lead and avoid as many deaths as possible. Here's a few:

she had no lead I was 3/0/1

Ask for jungler help. She can be a little slippery but that doesn't mean she's immune to ganks. Even if ganks don't kill her, they'll discourage her from playing too aggressively and tower diving.

Don't take free hits. Fiora will try to poke by hitting Vitals with her Q - but since she's going to try to hit the Vitals, you know where she'll probably dash to. Try to always land a Q in response to hers.

Play around her cooldowns. Her W has a very long cooldown, so if you know its down, that's the time to play more aggressive and try to land tornadoes on her.

Don't commit too hard to a fight if her ultimate is up, and if she ults you and you aren't sure you are going to win, its probably best to retreat.

Items to buy against her if you are behind - Ninja Tabi if you are just a little behind, Randuins if you really need to buy a full defensive item. Even though she has %HP True Damage, the majority of her damage is still regular old physical damage, mostly from autoattacks. Don't buy Iceborn. That's actually just a waste of gold on Yasuo.

I apprciate the adive, but I was was ahead. the fact that she had 4 deaths and still came back is broken.

AnonagonOct 12, 20162 votes

Since you're so hostile to general matchup advice, I took the liberty of looking deep at the stats from the single game you're complaining so much about

First off, you're lying about having been ahead. According to lolking, Fiora was ahead of you in farm, gold, and experience at all points of the game. Even if you had gotten kills on her, she still had a lead on you.

You bought an executioner's calling before finishing your Shiv. That's a mistake. Her healing isn't anywhere near significant enough that early on for it to be worth the 800 gold for grievous wounds, and Shiv amplifies your power in short trades - which is what you should be going for since she has Fervor.

Now, Shiv itself is questionable - most people go PD for that 12% damage reduction, but I'm not a Yasuo main so I digress - but delaying your powerspike is not good in a counter matchup like that, especially when Fiora's powerspike items are much more expensive.

You also bought Iceborn Gauntlet, which is... I'm not even going to act like there's a situation where you should be buying that on Yasuo. It's trash. It's really, really fucking bad. Half its gold value is in mana and CDR - useless stats on Yasuo. You spent a BF Sword's worth of gold on mana and cooldown reduction on a fucking Yasuo. Do you think the armor is worth it? Why not Deadman's then? That shit gives you health and movement speed. Useful stats! Randuins! It reduces their fucking attack speed and makes you take less damage from her crit! If you were going to get a defensive item, why not those? The Spellblade effect wouldn't have even been useful in that game. You don't want to stick to her. It's not going to keep her from sticking to you. It's not a significant amount of damage. So why? What made you look at that item in the store and think "Man, that's the item that will surely make me get back into this game"?

You got countered and lost because you don't know how to win the matchup. Don't go on the forums and complain and ask for nerfs. Just makes you sound like a sore fuckimg loser.

AstôlfoOct 12, 20161 votes

I dunno, can you learn how to play against her instead of crying and whining?

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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I dunno, can you learn how to play against her instead of crying and whining?

Tell me what to do then. I was 3/0/1 she was like 0/4. I had more cc, more items, ulted her, ignited her, and she killed me. she dove my tower surrounded by my minions and took 4 tower hits with one item, killed me and left with more than half hp. tell me after I took her tower first, how did I fuck up. Please. tell me.

Critmaster GarenOct 12, 20163 votes

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Tell me what to do then. I was 3/0/1 she was like 0/4. I had more cc, more items, ulted her, ignited her, and she killed me. she dove my tower surrounded by my minions and took 4 tower hits with one item, killed me and left with more than half hp. tell me after I took her tower first, how did I fuck up. Please. tell me.

your build looks like shit.

you have a stattic shiv, another zeal .... you have crit, but no ad to back it up. those crits dont do damage without at least a b.f. sword.

an iceborn gauntlet. why? did you need mana? yasuo doesnt even have the base ad to make that sheen passive decent. out of all items, this is probably the worst you could pick up on him.

you simply invested into the wrong stats, while her build is much better.

if she won duels against you, she probably also triggered all 4 vitals of her ult on you and fought you within the heal zone. but thats just a guess, since you dont have a replay we dont know what exactly you did wrong (apart from your build).

this was your build by the end of the game:

item 3087 item 3009 item 3025 item 3086 item 1053 item 3123

this was hers:

item 3155 item 3074 item 3047 item 3071 item 3072 item 3026

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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your build looks like shit.

you have a stattic shiv, another zeal .... you have crit, but no ad to back it up. those crits dont do damage without at least a b.f. sword.

an iceborn gauntlet. why? did you need mana? yasuo doesnt even have the base ad to make that sheen passive decent. out of all items, this is probably the worst you could pick up on him.

the gaunlets where after i was just like fuck it.

you simply invested into the wrong stats, while her build is much better.

she had hydra only. I had grevious would to counter heals, heal items myself, speed, crit. and everything to counter her.

if she won duels against you, she probably also triggered all 4 vitals of her ult on you and fought you within the heal zone. but thats just a guess, since you dont have a replay we dont know what exactly you did wrong (apart from your build).

My build worked fine. i took her tower. 3 kills ahead. she is broken.

RalanrOct 12, 20162 votes

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your build looks like shit.

an iceborn gauntlet. why, need mana? yasuo doesnt even have the base ad to make that sheen passive decent.

I had to look this up. Holy shit he actually did build it. TF I can understand because it gives a bunch of other stats, but IBG on Yasuo? That is pretty much one of the worst items to buy on him.

The spellblade isn't enough and he's not investing in much armor for the ice field. The mana, one of the main reasons people grab it, is wasted beyond believe. Meaning he only gets CDR and armor.

I doubt Yasuo needs much CDR to function since his Q scales with attack speed. Your ult has a low enough cooldown on its own. So...windwall? But that's not enough.

If Yasuo wants armor then he should grab one of the armor and health items such as deadmans, Omen, or sunfire. Deadmans is probably the best since it can help proc your passive shield faster (or not, but movement speed never hurts).

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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I had to look this up. Holy shit he actually did build it. TF I can understand because it gives a bunch of other stats, but IBG on Yasuo? That is pretty much one of the worst items to buy on him.

The spellblade isn't enough and he's not investing in much armor for the ice field. The mana, one of the main reasons people grab it, is wasted beyond believe. Meaning he only gets CDR and armor.

I doubt Yasuo needs much CDR to function since his Q scales with attack speed. Your ult has a low enough cooldown on its own. So...windwall? But that's not enough.

If Yasuo wants armor then he should grab one of the armor and health items such as deadmans, Omen, or sunfire. Deadmans is probably the best since it can help proc your passive shield faster (or not, but movement speed never hurts).

at that point i didnt give a fuck and said fuck it.

RalanrOct 12, 20162 votes

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at that point i didnt give a fuck and said fuck it.

Futility isn't a helpful trait.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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Futility isn't a helpful trait.

my team just sat and did nothing so I dint give a fuck and wanted to test it out.

RalanrOct 12, 20162 votes

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my team just sat and did nothing so I dint give a fuck and wanted to test it out.

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http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/545/OpoQQ.jpg

WTF is wrong with you? Do you even know how IBG works?

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/545/OpoQQ.jpg

WTF is wrong with you? Do you even know how IBG works?

yeah, but still wanted to give it a go. It actually works well on Yasuo if you build it when he is ahead.

RalanrOct 12, 20162 votes

Except there are way more beneficial alternatives when ahead. Like TF.

Honestly IBG on Yasuo is just bad. It won't scale at all and you're wasting money on states you don't use.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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Except there are way more beneficial alternatives when ahead. Like TF.

Honestly IBG on Yasuo is just bad. It won't scale at all and you're wasting money on states you don't use.

True, but I did it for fun. I tried out everything on Yasuo. My match history use to be all wins. It got super boring I even stopped playing league. I came back and the adc's rework ended with all of Yasuo's core items being nerfed. ie. shiv. and others. They oped adcs, then juggernauts where broken with garen running around unkillable, then the mage buffs. Yasuo was ranked the worste win rate season 4 and I was still winning.

Season 5 hit and it was just gg.

RalanrOct 12, 20162 votes

Sorry you can't adapt. But that's your problem and not the game.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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Sorry you can't adapt. But that's your problem and not the game.

No that is 100% the game. It isn't adapting, They nerfed and nerfed Yasuo into the ground.

RalanrOct 12, 20163 votes

Dude. I'm a trinimmortal fanboy. I've seen him play Yasuo and he still wins games with him despite the guy hating ranked.

If he can do it then it doesn't mean Yasuo's bad. It means he takes some level of skill to do well with.

AstôlfoOct 12, 20161 votes

That feeling when you read the thread title and wonder if OP will even have the slightest attempt to justify nerfing a perfectly balanced champion…

... and then you read what he actually writes and realizes he's just a troll.

I want my 10 seconds back.

BultzOct 12, 20161 votes

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That feeling when you read the thread title and wonder if OP will even have the slightest attempt to justify nerfing a perfectly balanced champion…

... and then you read what he actually writes and realizes he's just a troll.

I want my 10 seconds back.

says the troll

AstôlfoOct 12, 20162 votes

The irony is killing me faster than Fiora ever can.