Are you serious with these Nasus buffs?

After3perma·Dec 11, 2018·51 votes·27,510 views

This champion got buffed like 10 times in a now, and now you are changing his stacking mechanic from 6 every time he kills a cannon or monster to 12.

Wtf is this? You are actually buffing this late game champion in the early to mid game again? What about nerfs? Nerf his W first, then buff the rest of his kit because W rank 1 is still a cancerous ability. Make the W cooldown start after the W ends so this champion can’t build 45% CDR and get W every 1.05 seconds.

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MyrmironDec 11, 201836 votes

Nasus isn't a late game champ, he's a mid game champ. He is only ever strong if he can get lots of stacks very fast, he acually falls off really bad past like 30 minutes because he gets kited so easily. Giving him a few stacks more so he can reach his strong midgame a little earlier isn't a bad idea since he has been struggleing for quite some time. Also it's only 6 stacks more every 3 waves, it's not THAT big of a deal.

After3permaDec 12, 201810 votes

Nasus can outrade squishy melee champions with just Sheen + 100 stacks. Unless you can burst Nasus down he wins trades because 12% lifesteal level 1 for free. You can’t fight him because his W is a built in Frozen Heart. And if that is not enough, lets press R and go URF mode.

JamareeDec 12, 20185 votes

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Nasus can outrade squishy melee champions with just Sheen + 100 stacks. Unless you can burst Nasus down he wins trades because 12% lifesteal level 1 for free. You can’t fight him because his W is a built in Frozen Heart. And if that is not enough, lets press R and go URF mode.

Stop playing squishy melee champions against nasus then...what? How is this even an argument, how are players in this game so fucking terrible, people complain about hyper mobile champions, they buff one that hasn't seen play in YEARS and still won't even be all that good because this is the most meager buff I have EVER seen, and people STILL complain, holy fucking shit.

MrFawknSunshineDec 12, 20184 votes

have you see the out cry over the vayne buff yet?

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

saltranDec 12, 20182 votes

Which one of the 14 threads about the Vayne buff are you exactly talking about ?

crazÿDec 12, 20181 votes

yes right. but you know hes strong and he can carry the game and stay alive against 3 champion then why its not about we are not playing nasus now but he will become most strong champ. ppl are stupid cause they are not playing nasus

JamareeDec 12, 20181 votes

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yes right. but you know hes strong and he can carry the game and stay alive against 3 champion then why its not about we are not playing nasus now but he will become most strong champ. ppl are stupid cause they are not playing nasus

Yeah, against bad players maybe.

Now against people decent at the game, he literally has a below average win rate globally past Plat because people can see his weaknesses and how easy they are to exploit.

God King PlayerDec 13, 20181 votes

I used to main Nasus till I really realized when you get past Gold he sucks bum because he isn't meant for teamfighting. He is a splitpusher, and your opponent should already have a cs lead because Nasus is so weak early game. Just group against a Nasus, works most of the time. Pretty much when you're ahead. Kite kite kite.

GayFluffyUnicornDec 13, 20183 votes

Ofc people complain. Making an already shitty experience even shittier doesn't fix all the other issues you mentioned? Like what have all those stat buffs to garen done other than make it incredibly unfun to play against him just to bruteforce him to be better the higher you go.

Or my favorite example cho gath. What in the actual fuck was riot smoking not changing anything about his kit but just pumping shit into his kit to bruteforce him into being a high tier pick in every elo up to competitive play? Like what is the net gain for the game? Another shitty design noone wants to play against? Great job.

So what does that buff to nasus help with the overabundance of dmg, mobility and CC in the game? Nothing, you just make the game shittier for the person who has to face nasus. Basically the same thing that happened when they buffed his ult, buffed his ult again, buffed his ult again and at last his passive.

JamareeDec 13, 20181 votes

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Ofc people complain. Making an already shitty experience even shittier doesn't fix all the other issues you mentioned? Like what have all those stat buffs to garen done other than make it incredibly unfun to play against him just to bruteforce him to be better the higher you go.

Except with Garen, he stops being good once you get high because people tend to stop being trash enough to lose to a simple kit, much like Nasus in fact.

Or my favorite example cho gath. What in the actual fuck was riot smoking not changing anything about his kit but just pumping shit into his kit to bruteforce him into being a high tier pick in every elo up to competitive play? Like what is the net gain for the game? Another shitty design noone wants to play against? Great job.

Except he still isn't played, and continues to not only be one of the least pick champions in the game, but have a subpar win rate at the elos where people know how to play the game, interesting how that works.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Chogath/

So what does that buff to nasus help with the overabundance of dmg, mobility and CC in the game? Nothing, you just make the game shittier for the person who has to face nasus.

This buff literally does nothing, this buff is so meager, that I doubt he will even see a single degree more of play OR notice. It is so pathetic meager that they likely could have snuck this in, and no one would have noticed.

Basically the same thing that happened when they buffed his ult, buffed his ult again, buffed his ult again and at last his passive.

You mean continue to keep him low tier and losing to the players who once again aren't bad at this game?

Somebody Love MeDec 12, 20181 votes

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Nasus can outrade squishy melee champions with just Sheen + 100 stacks. Unless you can burst Nasus down he wins trades because 12% lifesteal level 1 for free. You can’t fight him because his W is a built in Frozen Heart. And if that is not enough, lets press R and go URF mode.

if he doesnt fall too far behind and farms decently, he wins lane at lv 6 with Sheen

Death by GlamourDec 12, 201811 votes

Giving him a few stacks more so he can reach his strong midgame a little earlier isn't a bad idea since he has been struggleing for quite some time.

keyword "earlier"

this is going against what a lot of us are saying, we don't want powerspikes earlier we want pace of the game to be far slower

ChallengerTierDec 12, 20186 votes

not sure why people seem to want the farm til 40 min games where any lead is irrelevant because there are 6 tanks a game where whoever's adc is stronger wins the game

Frog goes mooDec 12, 20181 votes

What are these "tanks" you talk about?

What does that word mean?

ChallengerTierDec 13, 20181 votes

those things that in season 6 tanked literally 20 turret shots and walked out with 50%< hp

Death by GlamourDec 12, 20183 votes

people don't want to farm until 40. They want less snowballing, less instagibbing from all sources and a chance to outplay opponents instead of these onesided oneshot games we are currently getting

VerxintDec 12, 20183 votes

I just want a laning phase that isn't "bum rush the opponent with every spell on cooldown the entire time"

ChallengerTierDec 13, 20182 votes

what exactly has changed that makes it so you can do this now but you couldn't before

GayFluffyUnicornDec 13, 20183 votes

No mana management anymore, no long cooldowns anymore and similar changes.

Before you actually had to think when to use your abilities or you become vulnerable to all ins. Champs were good at specific things like "all in, short trades, long trades, poke" etc. Now you have champs like urgot who can poke, all in, short trade, long trade doesn't matter.

Champs like zoe that spastically run around spamming everything off cooldown bombarding you with their bullshit.

ChallengerTierDec 13, 20181 votes

they already nerfed snowballing by adding these retarded bounties for literally having a cs lead

The E77Dec 12, 20182 votes

but nasus gets stomped later into the game, sure he can have 800 stacks and 2 hit an adc or mid laner, but it doesn't matter if he dies before he gets into melee range to hit them in the first place, late game tanks are none existent because of shit like LDR, IE, void staff, liandreys, early game... well... its early game nasus... we all know how useless early game nasus is, hell even early game yi is better than early game nasus, so mid game is his only strong point, he has hopefully gotten enough stacks than he actually does damage, and the enemy team hasn't gotten all their items to shred him yet, so his ult mr + armor is actually worth something, his w allows him to get near targets, so then he can do something, these buffs help mid game and late game nasus, but late game nasus is kinda just another yorick that just never leaves top lane and perma split pushes because he literally cant do anything else, and tbh nasus isn't even that bad, there are lots of other toplane champions that are 10x more aids to play vs than nasus, champions like Riven that if fed will literally faceroll and get a 1v3 triple or Illaoi that just... exists... and you kinda just loose the laning phase, nasus isn't really that bad, early game he is just a 2nd cannon minion, mid game he can be scary if stacked up, but not as bad as someone like Jax and late game he just gets slowed once and then dies before he ever actually gets into range to use his stacks, imo nasus is kinda like darius, he is only good when played vs people who he either HARD counters, or if the enemy just has no idea what their doing

Oakleaf RangerDec 12, 20184 votes

Why do people keep saying that his late game sucks?

His late game doesn't suck and Nasus can do plenty of damage and while needing to build 1 damage item.

Nasus stops caring about being kited once he builds rightous glory.

How are you going to kite the max cdr raidboss who runs as fast as a racecar once you get in his wither range?

We R SkrebsDec 18, 20181 votes

alot of champions that are meta have more than one form of cc. he also is relatively squishy, and his w and can be cleansed.

He's quite easy to kite when you turn on your monitor, it's just it's pretty hard to prevent nasus farming.

Oakleaf RangerDec 19, 20181 votes

how is he relatively squishy when I just said that he only needs one damage item and can go pure tank items (and cdr).

How many people take the summoner spell just for him? none

Most people can't afford to build item 3140 or item 3139 until the late game without sacrificing damage for it. and even then you have to also hope he isn't already rocking max cdr because he still remain in range for it again by the time the cool down is up. Thats assuming you didn't use the cleanse for the righteous glory slow first or item 3143 .

xPhantomDancerXDec 12, 20181 votes

Watch me nasus jg with this new buff.

EvenDec 13, 20181 votes

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Nasus isn't a late game champ, he's a mid game champ. He is only ever strong if he can get lots of stacks very fast, he acually falls off really bad past like 30 minutes because he gets kited so easily. Giving him a few stacks more so he can reach his strong midgame a little earlier isn't a bad idea since he has been struggleing for quite some time. Also it's only 6 stacks more every 3 waves, it's not THAT big of a deal.

So many people just see infinite stacking and instantly think late game. That's not how it works.

rtbf221651412Dec 13, 20181 votes

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Nasus isn't a late game champ, he's a mid game champ.

That is why when he gets all his stacks and builds tanky he doesn't become a huge problem late game right?

GunnerBombPTDec 21, 20181 votes

Jungle nasus...

FOR JUSTICEDec 11, 201817 votes

Riot: >games are ending too fast for nasus to reach lategame >we could potentially just lower snowball and elongate the games..... >nah, lets just push his lategame to midgame

in all fairness though its only cannons, which are fairly deniable to nasus assuming he is willing to risk like half his life bar early game.

After3permaDec 12, 20185 votes

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in all fairness though its only cannons, which are fairly deniable to nasus assuming he is willing to risk like half his life bar early game.

I’m Nasus, I have 12% lifesteal at Level 1.

Baron BarianDec 12, 20186 votes

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I’m Nasus, I have 12% lifesteal at Level 1.

Hi Nasus. I know what Grevious Wounds is.

HotarµDec 12, 20186 votes

Oh, silly me. Why did I start a item 1054 at level 1 for 450 gold when I could have just bought an item 3123 for 800?

Baron BarianDec 12, 20183 votes

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Oh, silly me. Why did I start a at level 1 for 450 gold when I could have just bought an for 800?

I'm glad to know I've helped someone learn to buy the item instead of pretending there's no countermeasures at all.

MrFawknSunshineDec 12, 20185 votes

well you dont have to start with a grievous wound item. he isnt gonna lifesteal that much at lvl 1.

and you can take spells such as summoner 14 and have a threat to kill him in lane. cuz he really wont be running anything other then summoner 12 summoner 4 unless for some reason he goes spell book.

also this is already been mention lifesteal is only equal to actual amount of damage a target takes.

so what reduces damage? well for nasus autos and Q its ARMOR.

and a early item 3076 is good vs him.

and if you want to go either a item 3076 or a item 3123 rush you can start with one of the components at lvl 1 to get it faster in lane. such as starting item 1029 or item 1036

let alone the amount of champs that counter him and straight up bully him.

rawiazam1Dec 12, 20185 votes

damn, should've bought bramble vest at level 1, stupid me. or how obught buying thornmail while we're at it.

jokes aside, nasus deals too much damage for a tank champion. once he gets his ult. he stops caring about your pathetic wounds since he can kill you in 5 secs anyways

MrFawknSunshineDec 12, 20181 votes

once again nasus isnt doing alot of damage or even care to use a Q on the enemy in lane, he just wants to farm so you dont have to have a bramble vest lvl 1 like i stated you can start with a component of the item and get it earlier then you normally would.

jokes aside: NASUS IS NOT A TANK!! he is meant to do damage if he gets to you. HE IS A JUGGERNAUT like a darius, garen, mord, illaoi.

he has really only 1 damage ability his Q his wither does no damage, his E does magic damage and scales on AP and so does his ult. so he isnt building AP to scale those abilities. his E is used to harass a bit in lane, maybe cs from afar if need and to empower his damage on autos and Q by lowering your armor while in it. his ult is kinda there to empower his Q by lowering the CD on it and giving him more range on it while giving him bonus hp to sustain and fight longer.

BlytedDec 12, 20185 votes

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I’m Nasus, I have 12% lifesteal at Level 1.

It's really more like I'm Nasus if I leave my tower at Level one I'm dead to a decent gank.

I'm Nasus I hope no one picks one of the champs that absolutely trashes me early game

The myth of Nasus is out of control in this thread.

Nasus is not a late game champion the number of people that keep repeating that nonsense is staggering.

His W is great except for there are literally multiple popular champs in almost every role that have a way to mitigate the power of his W.

I can think of at least 7 "squishy" champs that can win a 1v1 against Nasus 30-40 mins into a game.

Rathar DashingDec 12, 20186 votes

Nasus isn't out of control, it's just that nobody likes dealing with a 5 second long point & click slow that also affects your attack speed. I think he deserves some buffs, but I'd like to see them address a lot of the player frustration on one of the most cancerous abilities in the game first.

onlymdestinyJan 28, 20191 votes

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Riot: >games are ending too fast for nasus to reach lategame >we could potentially just lower snowball and elongate the games..... >nah, lets just push his lategame to midgame

in all fairness though its only cannons, which are fairly deniable to nasus assuming he is willing to risk like half his life bar early game.

only cannon? what about jungle, legit sit in jungle for 10 min and out have 200+ stacks.

MalzaDec 12, 20188 votes

Nasus has always been a midgame champion, not a lategame champion. Nasus falls off hard into the lategame unless the game reaches absurd lengths (50-60 min+) where he starts rebounding.

JamareeDec 11, 20186 votes

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This champion got buffed like 10 times in a now, and now you are changing his stacking mechanic from 6 every time he kills a cannon or monster to 12.

Wtf is this? You are actually buffing this late game champion in the early to mid game again?

Yeah, because he can't reach late game with the current speed of games?

What about nerfs? Nerf his W first, then buff the rest of his kit because W rank 1 is still a cancerous ability. Make the W cooldown start after the W ends so this champion can’t build 45% CDR and get W every 1.05 seconds.

You do know it is so strong because it doesn't do damage right, while also being single target? In fact, there are only two slows in the game that are single target and do no damage, and the other one has the advantage of also being used on allies.

It is also so strong to help him actually close the gap because he has no mobility. So if they were to nerf that, he would have to get things like being able to dash in his E, or stupid range increases on his Q or something like that.

GilgayuDec 12, 20181 votes

I'm just curious, who is the other champion you mentioned with a single target slow without dmg?

JamareeDec 12, 20184 votes

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I'm just curious, who is the other champion you mentioned with a single target slow without dmg?

Zilean.

DeνiruchiDec 12, 20181 votes

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Zilean.

Tryndamere ?

JamareeDec 12, 20181 votes

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?

That's AoE.

AhrisDec 12, 20181 votes

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Yeah, because he can't reach late game with the current speed of games?

You do know it is so strong because it doesn't do damage right, while also being single target? In fact, there are only two slows in the game that are single target and do no damage, and the other one has the advantage of also being used on allies.

It is also so strong to help him actually close the gap because he has no mobility. So if they were to nerf that, he would have to get things like being able to dash in his E, or stupid range increases on his Q or something like that.

Range increase on his q would be cool. Would fulfill his damage using his Cane.

JamareeDec 13, 20181 votes

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Range increase on his q would be cool. Would fulfill his damage using his Cane.

Also fine

CarteeeerDec 12, 20186 votes

Can't wait to see the unkillable nasus run me down with ghost and his w and do 1500 damage on one q :)

The TrentDec 12, 20181 votes

It's funny because people were joking about this but now they actually did it.

saltranDec 12, 20182 votes

Not a Nasus player, I'm not even a toplaner.

But man I wish you luck here against all the ppl that suddenly act like if Nasus was the most unbalanced champ in the game and that this buff will make him gigabroken or something, such a overreaction.