just a question about riven's design

MunchCrunchLunch·Oct 1, 2016·1 votes·123 views

Why does riven have such a passive that gives her more sustained damage than melee carries early game and 4 abilities that scale with ad and match those of an assassin?

8 Comments

AstôlfoOct 1, 20167 votes

Not this shit again. ( ○ _ლ)

MunchCrunchLunchOct 1, 20161 votes

its a reasonable question i mean if you give me an answer that shuts me up am fine with that.

i mean you either have burst. or sustained damage. its quite unreasonable to get both by design.

regardless your bronze 4 and whatever you say does not matter.

what if zed had cc and his passive procced after every ability? that shit would be broken right.

AstôlfoOct 1, 20164 votes

Her passive is essentially a mini-Sheen, but the damage in early is fairly minor, nor is there really a reason for you to be getting hit enough times with it for it to matter. Her levels 1-2 are weak against anyone who's not a blithering idiot (read: just lets Riven hit them repeatedly). Level 3 is where she's somewhat okayish, but provided the other toplaner (probably you) plays safe near tower, she can't really do much anyways.

Tiamat will almost always be one of her first items which greatly enhances waveclear, pushing the wave to your tower, which makes it fairly easy to gank her with a good flank. Even with her 3 dashes on her Q and her E dash/shield, simply CCing her stops it altogether. She's also quite squishy, especially more so in early. This will most likely get them to burn a Flash, on the chance they didn't just die altogether. If it turns out it's a "stereotypical" toxic Riven player who starts raging/int-feeding/AFKing after they get camped a few times, that's even better for you, as their tilt will lead to more mistakes and tunnel vision that can be taken advantage of.

Next, for her to apply the Sheen-esque passive to the fullest extent, she must interweave autos between more or less every auto, which takes quite a long time without good understanding/practice/ability to animation-cancel well on Riven. This is fairly difficult and most people cannot do it in the first place, which makes her telegraphed combo essentially go through each and every full animation, which makes it take longer, and thus, makes it easier to take advantage of/back/CC her in the middle of it/etc.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 1, 20161 votes

easy to wave autos in when you can animation cancel them and cast an ability 3 times and auto 3 times at the same time right. i mean it takes a cpl youtube videos to learn how to do that

AstôlfoOct 1, 20165 votes

Yes which is why everyone is a professional at Riven and does so well... oh right, they don't.

It's a lot harder than you think. And just because you can animation cancel a few things doesn't mean you can do them to all of Riven's possible animation-cancel-able combos, nor does it mean you understand when using each specific, unique combo/set is good for a particular situation.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 1, 20161 votes

just because a champion can't 1v5 and solo win games doesn't mean they aren't annoying as fuck and unfair to lane against.

AstôlfoOct 1, 20163 votes

You can say any champion is annoying as fuck. That really means nothing.

And I don't see how it's really unfair to lane against.