A solution against non-tanks going tank

Eternal Torment··3 votes·408 views

Remove a certain base value entirely. Take example on Darius W, he scales with total ad entirely, he has no basedamage on it whatsoever and his W has NEVER caused him to anyhow go out of order.

and if you ask me, champions that Build tank when they shouldn't, primarily assassins like fizz, then you look at what makes their tank Build work (his W aswell) and just Strip the basedamage on the active W entirely, so he will no longer be viable as a tank ever again. i might Sound a bit salty, and i do admit in all honesty that i am growing tired of tank fizz, but those permanent tiny nerfs over time until people finally get it wouldn't work.

Problem solved, admittedly this might be a lil extreme but we saw how it went when riot kept nerfing base damages just Little by Little over a quarter of a Season while raising ap scalings, fizz became so gutted that he received a mini rework, and i ask this. do we wanna go through that again?

Riot has been doing a fantastic balancing job lately, but with fizz i Need to be really sceptical when i see how he manages to go out of role for almost an entire Season despite nerfs and even a rework. so i believe he Needs more drastic measures.

EDIT: almost a year, not a Season. wrong measure, my fault.

5 Comments

Erockandroll2 votes

I imagine part of the problem is that Riot doesn't see it entirely as a problem. (And neither do I) If Fizz's Diver build, (Be honest, TF/BotRK is a Bruiser Build, like Jax or Irelia) is on the wrong side of OP, Riot will step in and nerf the option, while trying not to hurt his Assassin build. However, they will not Feverishly try to stomp that build out at every turn. (No matter how much we with they did)

The other issue with Fizz in particular is that his Assassin's kit designed to synergize with Lichbane. And as a result, he also synergizes with the other sheen items. (Same thing with Ekko) So the only way you could completely remove his Bruiser/Diver options is to find a way to better distinguish Lichbane from TF and ICB, or scrap the sheen item Synergy all together. (Which I suspect would be unlikely)

Critmaster Garen2 votes

unfortunaly, champion balance is not that simple.

for darius, the fact that his w scales with total ad is what gives the ability base damage from his base ad value.

if you replaced the base damage on fizz w with an increased bonus ad scaling, the ability would be trash early game, and allow him to almost 1 shot people lategame with enough ap. it would also make the champion snowbally to the point of absurdity. if hes ahead and stacks up a lot of ap, it would deal more damage than it does now.

if hes behind and doesnt get to rack up items fast, it will deal no damage whatsoever.

Want to reform1 votes

I thought about this too, when i saw his adjustments this patch. Increasing his scaling is just going to make AP runes even more effective - he works as a tank because of his utility and his kit's reliability - not primarily its damage.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Saying that Darius doesn't go tank because he will usually build BC is kind of like saying that a mage who bought Zhonya's is not going damage.

And lack of base damage on W has nothing to do with this, all damage is as flat ratio so that it still hurts even if he doesn't rank it up.

Eternal Torment1 votes

I merely took his skill as an example so people know what i mean. Its a dumb coincidence that he of all people as a tank/juggernaut has the solution for those "tanks"

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