Make Frozen Heart 3k Gold But Give 150HP

wobaji·4/28/2018, 10:02:42 PM·22 votes·10,431 views

Right now FH is not a great item because it just make you WAY too vulnerable to true damage or magic damage. The mana also isn't necessarily the most useful thing ever because no one goes first item Frozen Heart.

Adding a Ruby Crystal to the build path and making it 3k gold would be perfect. So why not 3100g because that's how much a Ruby Crystal would make it worth? Simple, the time to farm it up is itself a deterrent and a cost. 3k gold is not cheap so delaying the spike by another 300g is already enough to make up for the 100g improved gold efficiency. This change would make it more attractive as a counter item without feeling totally useless vs other kinds of damage and with the buff to Cut Down as well as the proposed buffs to ADCs vs tanks, I think that's plenty enough to compensate.

25 Comments

LEAFERA4/28/2018, 10:22:00 PM5 votes

Honestly, this will help FH to be viable In any situation but, do you really want that? [sg-ahri-1]

PopcornBunni4/29/2018, 4:56:07 AM3 votes

It's fine in Transcendence builds, and MR+Health items are the norm. item 3065 item 3194 gives 800 health, and keep in mind the value of health lowers over the length of the game while armor and MR go up.

For any given health or resistance, the most gold value can be found from the formula [Health = 7.5 x Resistances +750] or [Resistances = (Health -750) / 7.5)

With just the normal two MR items or Visage + item 3068 , most tanks will be well over 3000 health by time they're building FH. The 300 gold extra would largely go to waste since it's highly unlikely they'll be at 300 Armor with the heart.

Frankly, just going even higher with the Armor by adding 300 gold worth of the stat would be a better buff.

Also remove slow resistance's/immunity's effect on Crippling. Yi and Vayne %health true damaging through item 3110 item 3075 is ridiculous.

Azadethe4/29/2018, 2:56:14 AM2 votes

Horrible idea. Game NEEDS its no HP items for games where item 3036 is prevalent.

Even though nerfed, item 3003 is still important, and with Transcendence FH is potentially a 53 AP item. Stop underselling it.

SpecterVonBaren4/29/2018, 10:32:41 AM2 votes

Take Randuin's Omen's active and put it on Frozen Heart, give Randuins a new active. Now it is viable as a true utility armor item and Randuins is less of a one stop shop item.

Beerstein4/30/2018, 12:57:23 AM1 votes

The problem is mana is too free right now, so it's not considered valuable when it should be. The short of it is I feel like yes the item is weak right now, but the problem is elsewhere. I say don't fix the symptoms, fix the problem, which is mana is too easy to come by.

I like to complain about Amumus mana problems, but realistically it's other champions that should share his problems, not that he should have the problem fixed.

The problem with fixing the symptom here, is that if you ever fix the problem, suddenly the symptoms you fixed become the problem. 400 mana should be a HUGE deal, but right now it isn't.

Let's go over who it's good for, people that max out a tear of the goddess item for synergy. Okay, now what champion that does that wants this anyway? I haven't seen Blitz in forever, but maybe he can still pull it off?

The thing is, even at that point now you want the mana for damage, cause you already have so much mana. Even then that's what 12AP/6AD? Not great, but better than a stat that does nothing I guess. Helps with Blitz shield too anyways.

If you add 150HP I'd say also reduce mana to 150 (but let's be realistic, it wouldn't matter cause a useless stat could have 1,000 or 0 and it's still useless, excluding mentioned synergies) So maybe -10 armor as well.

So yeah, I guess it's great on Blitz. It's effectively a +200 shield for 10 seconds. We should be careful with it unless we want blitz to get out of control again.

Tahminatrix 4/29/2018, 12:45:42 AM1 votes

item 3110 is going to be bad regardless because of the abundance of AD casters and ofc the new conqueror rune. It needs another item to synergize with it better if it is going to be so damn specialized. Nobody builds item 3143 and nobody builds item 3075 with because more often than not its the abilities that are killing you rather than the auto attacks.

Although it will still be a lot better with hp added onto it.

Maybe have item 3110 take all of your physical damage mitigation from armor and add 2.5-5% to it, this way last whisper still counters it hard but it will make people extremely tanky to ad provided that they build tank in the first place.

So say you have 100 armor and 50% physical damage reduction, item 3110 will add 5% to that and make it 55% physical damage reduction.

This will make tanks a lot stronger against anyone who doesn't buy item 3035 or item 3071 by the time they get 250+ armor and have item 3110

I just fear it might be too strong on Rammus although it has an attack speed slow and he wants to get auto attacked.

Mokuto Bunshi4/29/2018, 2:41:16 AM1 votes

I thought it was meant to be built vs % ad damage and thornmail is for everything else...

TempName748144/29/2018, 4:35:44 AM1 votes

pretty sure the only champs that build frozen heart are the ones who rush it, and only situationally