i dont understand why Ornn has a bad win rate

PhearBunny·Aug 16, 2018·4 votes·3,678 views

He literally dunks every top laner I play, harder than a Garen does. Has unlimited lane uptime. Has team fight presence.... makes no sense to me

13 Comments

Baron BarianAug 16, 20186 votes

Bad players? People not knowing how he's meant to work? I honestly never got it myself. I fell in love with him and did well when he was released, and people legit thought he was too weak at the time.

I miss his unstoppable though.

MrFawknSunshineAug 16, 20182 votes

i use to get beat by ornn top before his nerfs. now my champ is one of his best counters. and i have zero issues vs him. i actually had one afk/rage quit during lane cuz i went 4-0 vs him in lane cuz i took ignite

i think he is over nerfed. but then again he might be the kind of champ that is that is either over nerfed or over tuned. can never find a happy medium.

PhearBunnyAug 17, 20182 votes

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i use to get beat by ornn top before his nerfs. now my champ is one of his best counters. and i have zero issues vs him. i actually had one afk/rage quit during lane cuz i went 4-0 vs him in lane cuz i took ignite

i think he is over nerfed. but then again he might be the kind of champ that is that is either over nerfed or over tuned. can never find a happy medium.

I cant trade with him at all on my mains. Cant really poke him either without paying for it more than he does. /shrug.

MrFawknSunshineAug 17, 20181 votes

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I cant trade with him at all on my mains. Cant really poke him either without paying for it more than he does. /shrug.

like i said it use to be an issue for me. then i guess a combo of nerfs plus use to laning vs him i have zero issue vs him and actually find it very easy. i am however a otp of maokai top

ParoeAug 17, 20181 votes

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I cant trade with him at all on my mains. Cant really poke him either without paying for it more than he does. /shrug.

Yeah, even now orrn is like quinn... He punishes melees pretty hard. Most ranged champs dumpster him, though.

Orrn has a low win rate because he cant 1v9 and thats the truth. Champions like Orrn, Leona, Braum, and Alistar are strong when their carries are strong. They cant push on their own well, they cant 1v1, they cant take objectives well, so they rely on the rest of their team to do what they cant.

Colton147Aug 16, 20182 votes

Ornn 's been gutted with his nerfs and is in an unplayable state right now. He needs his damage and Unstoppable back.

Tahminatrix Aug 16, 20181 votes

He just isn't that good in this meta, he needs strong teammates.

He can setup for his team but he cant 1v9

SwiftKitten88Aug 17, 20181 votes

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He just isn't that good in this meta, he needs strong teammates.

He can setup for his team but he cant 1v9

phh if your champ can 1v9 it needs nerfs.

no matter how much gold you have if your opponents play correctly there is no champ in that game that should be allotted enough power to 1v9.

not even faceroll champions like MasterYi can 1v9.. because to get that strong his opponents would have to feed him that much

and late-game any proper team-comp can easily shut him down.

if the champ u are playing can 1v9 or get fed so fast they can pull of a 1v9 before u can catch up in gold with proper teamwork... said champion is broken.

i mean granted there are certainly scenario where your opponents just flat out suck or our trolling.. but i don't consider those 1v9

SugeMinPikkAug 17, 20181 votes

He has teamfight presence, sure.. if his ult is up. If he doesn't land a good ult, he just waddles around, being kind of useless.

IllabetheAug 17, 20181 votes

He doesn't have unlimited lane up time unless you are taking Manaflow Band and building Mana items....

And the long story short..... teams. Teams make up most of your losses, and jungle gankers vs none.

I just had a top Darius feed Aatrox 8 times, while bot Anivia fed a Pyke/Lux bot lane about 7 times, and sniped all our adc's kills. I was Ornn jungling.

I killed Aatrox like 3 times, but after that we had no map control, because of the cluster feed, and ward situations. They kept fighting and feeding and I just really couldn't bail them out.

Ornn's slow and low impact of short durations of time. That's what it boils down to.

The SpikoAug 17, 20181 votes

because toplane now = 0 effect ; the only way to carry frome toplane now is by spliting and in this case you need a team that help you by not doing stupid fights , or you get super fed then snowball ; with champs like fiora riven etc (( quinn is an exception ))

Ornn is strong as you said but he is an engager and a huge frontlaner , so he need a team who deal dammage . and he need Team fights , but unfortunately in last patchs there is no team figthing , all games are potato fighting , whil you are in your toplane strugling vs a huge champ like garen or darius your botlane could loose 2 turrets in 10 min and then theyr adc will come to you with 2 items whil you have half item and he will kill you like you are soraka , games now end really quick and lot of them end without a single TF 5 V 5 cause of that superpower assassins have now , and because the games are not about team fighting anymore , we see champs like garen quinn ; went frome 45% winrat to 54 % .

JaspersAug 17, 20181 votes

I hate fighting him in lane. He has a 9 second Q which stays on the map for 4 second which he can make sit in your wave. He does % HP damage that shields him, which in turn will do % HP if he autos you after. Because of his Q, his E is dangerous and has a massive knockup range too.

But this is only laning phase, as soon as it's over, he just seems to stop being annoying and is mainly a Ult bot for the rest of the team.

r43b1llAug 17, 20181 votes

Riot nerfed him because he was too viable in competitive. Wish they'd bring back his skill expression, like his unstoppable on w, but that'll never happen.