I think Viegar's Ult should be a skillshot

KingPontus·Sep 29, 2016·6 votes·733 views

It does way to much damage for it have such a low cooldown and not be a skill shot

49 Comments

DrCyanideSep 29, 20167 votes

If it was a skill shot, then it'd likely become AoE. Be careful what you wish for.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

dunder killSep 29, 20163 votes

If Veigar ult becomes a skill shot then Syndra does too

MarshbouySep 29, 20162 votes

and Diana Chogath etc

dunder killSep 29, 20161 votes

not even annoyed with Diana Chogath . Those are both melee range and they have no way of getting out

MarshbouySep 29, 20161 votes

I'm just listing off "bs one shot ults"

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

Darius Garen Malphite Malzahar Rengar Khazix Riven Warwick MonkeyKing Yasuo Zed

did i miss any?

Leo1024Sep 29, 20161 votes

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

her ult is meant as a disengage or cc isnt designed to one shot

Leo1024Sep 29, 20161 votes

Yeah but with the knock up followed by her root you're as good as dead if she lands both

Handy Sandy Sep 29, 20164 votes

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not even annoyed with . Those are both melee range and they have no way of getting out

But veigar has no way of getting out and he has 0 mobility and relies on his stun to actually kill someone, and if you stay in the center and move around he can't W you which severely decreases his chances of killing you in a 1v1.

dunder killSep 29, 20161 votes

Its still a pretty massive 2.5S AoE stun and a ranged point and click ult. Diana and Cho has the disability of having to go melee to use them. Veig is way safer

Handy Sandy Sep 29, 20162 votes

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Its still a pretty massive 2.5S AoE stun and a ranged point and click ult. Diana and Cho has the disability of having to go melee to use them. Veig is way safer

The range his ult is at is really short and puts him in a really dangerous spot to ult someone in teamfights. Just get a item 3157 item 3111 or item 3102 . Veigar isn't safe at all, he's a low mobility mage that has really short range compared to other immobile mages like Velkoz Karthus Lux , and can't easily peel for himself because his stun isn't in the middle. He also massively relies on his stun to hit his skillshots because his W is really easy to dodge, and without it his ult won't be able to kill you.

dunder killSep 30, 20161 votes

Uhhhhh no. Zhonyas is a good item against Veigar I'll give you that, but if he does get his stun off you still can't use it. Mercs don't reduce the stun enough to greet away before his full combo lands. And banshees works well in a 1v1 but the odds of it blocking the exact spell you want it to block in a team fight is pretty much zero. It's ends up blocking something meaningless or gets poked of before a fight.

I'm not trying to say Veigar is the safest champ, but you actually trying to say his ult isnt safer than Diana's or Cho's is really ridiculous

137434Sep 30, 20161 votes

And Diana and Cho are generally tankier with higher health to compensate for that.

Also Diana's ult is not melee. Her ult is the dash that brings her to you. Its range is 200 units longer than Veig's ult. If she hit you with a Q before hand she is free to ult you again.

ParoeSep 29, 20161 votes

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and etc

How does chogaths ult make sense as a skill shot? its essentially a basic attack.

MarshbouySep 29, 20161 votes

I was just pointing out the stupidity in OPs argument (edited)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

get hp its true damage no magic damage...

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MarshbouySep 29, 20161 votes

I find no issue with cho gath's ult, i was just extrapolating the crappy logic of OP.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

didnt say you did jsut replying to the comment in general ... people cry and bitch about things on the game and dont wanna learn to counter play and say they shouldnt have to .. but thats part of the game in itself... counter picks, counter team comps, counter strategy counter builds

ParoeSep 29, 20163 votes

cool. So if its a skill shot then it does even more damage with higher execute bonuses, right? 2% increase per 1% missing HP, right?

No. Veigar is fine as he is; you shut down stacking champs hard, not let them win then complain.

ItsOrvalSep 29, 20162 votes

Why, his R is like the only thing he can use to kill people. Unless hes lucky enough to lane 1 out of the 3 skillshots he has on his kit. Why add a 4th skill shot.

No WorrySep 29, 20161 votes

One rework at a time my friend.

RivuoSep 29, 20161 votes

i fought a support veigar. He was 0-2 before he hit level 5. The moment he hit level 6 lucian took me to 50% and veigar pressed R. No lie it did like 390+. Fucking sick idk how

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

his ult at 1 rank is 175 +75% ap + Primordial Burst deals 1.5% increased damage for every 1% of target's missing health, up to double damage against targets below 33.3% of their maximum health.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

Because you got hit by an execute ability when you're squishy as hell with no real MR?

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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Because you got hit by an execute ability when you're squishy as hell with no real MR?

Having spellthiefs edge shouldnt allow your R to do 350+

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

Then don't get in range of Veigar if your health is that low. Or build MR.

Not sure why it's that different from any other mage's level 6.

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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Then don't get in range of Veigar if your health is that low. Or build MR.

Not sure why it's that different from any other mage's level 6.

Because most mages arent lock on executes..? Which is just an unfun mechanic in general..?

Veigar and syndra need their ults to be lock on because they're extremely immobile, so in turn they have to do massive damage, syndras Q-W-E are all skillshots, so her ult being a lockon makes up for it.

Veigars Q-W-E ( stun too ) are all skillshots. So his ult being a lock on high damage is kinda needed.

TL;DR i understand 100% why syndras and veigars kits are made like that. And i do respect it, i just dont enjoy that style of play.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

Veigar's ultimate doesn't do that much unless you're low health, at which point it's like any other execute ability (Garen's for example). Even at 1000 AP and max R rank, it won't one-shot any full health squishy.

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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Veigar's ultimate doesn't do that much unless you're low health, at which point it's like any other execute ability (Garen's for example). Even at 1000 AP and max R rank, it won't one-shot any full health squishy.

Mid to late game veigars R practically one shots if he worked on his stacks.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

No, it does not. Its minimum damage is 325 base + 75% AP. Even with 1000 AP, no one's maximum health is 1075 at lategame, not even mentioning MR.

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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No, it does not. Its minimum damage is 325 base + 75% AP. Even with 1000 AP, no one's maximum health is 1075 at lategame, not even mentioning MR.

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Blurry but 1484 when full hp is 1833

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

Yes that's what happens when a squishy ADC gets hit with an execute damage when she has low health and Veigar has a lot of AP.

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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Yes that's what happens when a squishy ADC gets hit with an execute damage when she has low health and Veigar has a lot of AP.

Wasent low health bud. Point of a picture is to show you that veigar can easily hit over 1000 if you're missing just 10%+ late game :].

If you see the ''Damage taken in 12 seconds'' You'd see the first 1-7 seconds was malphite, in which most of my health was totally lifestealed back.

Just trying to prove that if youre missing just 10%, veigar will decimate you.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

That is low health considering it's lategame where Veigar had tons of AP, Cait had next to no health to start with, and got a good chunk knocked off.

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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That is low health considering it's lategame where Veigar had tons of AP, Cait had next to no health to start with, and got a good chunk knocked off.

Yes i agree with you :]

My post that you quoted said ''Mid to late game veigars R practically one shots''

You said ''No, it does not.''

Now you're justifying his ult hitting that hard.?

Thanks for proving my point....

Listen bud, my post isnt here to argue about veigars balance,

my first post was to say that i dont enjoy his style of gameplay

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

Eh, there's nothing wrong with his ult hitting that hard in the first place.

And if you don't enjoy it, just ban him? Or build MR?

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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Eh, there's nothing wrong with his ult hitting that hard in the first place.

And if you don't enjoy it, just ban him? Or build MR?

You're right. There is nothing wrong with it hitting that hard.

But you just said that his ult DOESNT hit that hard late game. so you kinda contradicted yourself.

my whole point of my first post was to say that i dont enjoy the mechanic of ''point and click executes'' simply because they are unfun to fight against

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

But I was correct? It can never 100-0 a full health target even in lategame.

And I understand your point about it being unfun.

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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But I was correct? It can never 100-0 a full health target even in lategame.

And I understand your point about it being unfun.

lol ok.

It can 90-0 someone.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

Not until far into lategame it can't. And in lategame, with that many stacks, he's a hyperscaling stacking-based hypercarry burst/control-zoning mage anyways.

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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But I was correct? It can never 100-0 a full health target even in lategame.

And I understand your point about it being unfun.

Sometimes i hate playing a tanky jungle against veigar because even if im 2.5k health out of 4.5k

I can already see his R doing 1400+ no problem...

Eh i just hate how ''easy'' it is to land since its unmissable you know? Im like damn dude.. if your team protects you then your job is so damn easy

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

If you're a tanky jungle, shouldn't you be having quite a lot of resistances in the first place?

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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If you're a tanky jungle, shouldn't you be having quite a lot of resistances in the first place?

Definitly. But you know how it is late game.

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8 m.pen from runes and the roughly 14 magic pen from Precision.

Ehh it just adds up and you end up taking a lot of damage in general.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

He usually doesn't go Liandry's though, just saying. He doesn't need the burn nor does he have anything to slow with.

But Void Staff/Sorc's, yeah.

Visage/Banshee's/QSS/Aegis/etc are all different options though.

RivuoSep 30, 20161 votes

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He usually doesn't go Liandry's though, just saying. He doesn't need the burn nor does he have anything to slow with.

But Void Staff/Sorc's, yeah.

Visage/Banshee's/QSS/Aegis/etc are all different options though.

yeah liandrys on veigar is definitly not common.

Especially with jinx being meta now its like if you play a tanky jungle you kinda have to lean way more on the armor instead of MR.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20162 votes

True enough. Fair points.

AstôlfoSep 30, 20161 votes

Nah, I think you should stop whining.