Everyone is focused on this: 
The real issue is this: 
Sure, nerf Censer the way they are on the PBE. Fine, but gold gen item imbalance is the real issue.
Edit: I'm not necessarily even asking for a nerf on the item more than I'm calling for a level playing field. The discrepancy between gold gained from this item and the other two is WAY TOO HIGH. Bring them closer together.
Ahristocats3 votes
sure XD, every single adc are as overpowered as kog right now when combined with censer
why don't i see jinx or ashe or varus played in every single high elo games
why don't i see jinx building bruiser and shreding everyone in 1.5 sec
Kog is what we in high elo focus on, we're going to permaban this shit until it gets fixed playing against a no mechanics 710 range juggernaut is not fun nor balanced
Mig892 votesYou're really on this kog'maw kick man. Watching streams, I agree he is broken but could part of it be the fact you play a juggernaut in the botlane. It would only make sense in my mind that a ranged juggernaut who counters a melee juggernaut would naturally be frustrating for you.
Ahristocats1 votesoh you're getting it totally wrong
Morde is the reason i'm winning against kog because i can get his clone and destroy everyone because morde's clone gets items and their effect--->bork passive, runnan passive, ginsoo passive
and morde's ult deals 50% max hp damage in late game, so he can get 3k hp it doesn't matter
however if you try to play Ashe or Varus against kog you're going to auto lose Deft and Imp proved that in korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSRTMk5W-hw&feature=youtu.be
and you get this by using the build
chipndip12 votesI mean...alright?
This isn't an adc op thread anyway...but sure?
Mig891 votesYoure claiming what a real problem is and hes pointing out a real problem. Janna is in no way broken imo. Shes a well designed champ with strengths and weaknesses.
chipndip11 votesAight, I wouldn't say that. Janna's way too safe and simple, but she's been way more manageable in the past up until now, sure. Her design is shit, but it's an issue because she gains so much for so little effort from coin.
Ahristocats1 votesthis isn't an adc op thread, and this isn't an adc op post too
i'm claiming that the "kog is not op, he's just strong cause of censer" is totally wrong because if it was the case other carries like jinx who synergies well with it would see plays but they don't
kog is broken alone and needs nerfs
chipndip11 votesAh, I get it.
I think Riot doesn't know what to do with Kog as a whole, though.
Jorencice1 votesWhen did this happen? Just talked to my master tier ADC buddy like last night and he's says the current villains are twitch/tristana
Ahristocats1 votesare you on NA? maybe we have a different meta
you can check my last ranked games you will see kog picked/banned in almost every game with everytime the same build
same build used by Deft
and korea in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSRTMk5W-hw&feature=youtu.be
and you get this by using the build
Jorencice1 votesHuh. Weird yea i even watched like 6 games of his last nigjt while playing minecraft.
Didn't see a single kogmaw.
That doesn't seems too broken.
I mean without tarics ult kog would of died.
Big Lincoln1 votesI wish my supports would use those op items on me but I'm not a high mechanic adc like kogmaw so I don't get anything
feels bad
bàn1 votesThey should just get rid of gold items completely and just get rid of the support role. They were a problem back when everyone was building HoG and Philostone and now I've seen Nasus players take Coin in the top lane. So stupid.
chipndip11 votesIt wasn't a problem until coin got overbuffed. Removing them isn't exactly the "prime solution" here.
Serika Zero1 votesyou are right that ancient coin path is really strong right now. what they have to do regarding those however is buffing the other 2 gold gen items to allow supports to actually buy items
however, that still needs nerfs due to how much it buffs adcs
chipndip11 votesThat's fine, but if they don't address coin, it won't accomplish much.