The Tahm Kench changes are epic level terrible

Dope Solo·May 10, 2019·3 votes·1,781 views

His level 1 R barely goes one screen distance (thats like 5 seconds of walking). No one plays Tahm for his Q, he needs real damage on his W.

31 Comments

TobykachuMay 10, 20193 votes

The nerfed the toxic elements of his kit to massively buff the parts that were fine. I don't see how this is a loss in any way, shape or form.

mack9112May 10, 20192 votes

But his winrate jumped 5% ?

ZephyrDrakeMay 10, 20192 votes

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But his winrate jumped 5% ?

I would be surprised if it didn't go up. The changes are like saying "let's cripple soraka's ability to heal but give her a bunch of damage and CC!" That would more than likely increase soraka's winrate but is it the reason you even pick her? That is what is happening with tahm, he got stronger but in all the wrong places.

TremaursenMay 10, 20191 votes

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I would be surprised if it didn't go up. The changes are like saying "let's cripple soraka's ability to heal but give her a bunch of damage and CC!" That would more than likely increase soraka's winrate but is it the reason you even pick her? That is what is happening with tahm, he got stronger but in all the wrong places.

Funny enough Raka mid is a stronger pick than Raka suppport right now

Dope SoloMay 10, 20191 votes

From 42%, which can't be that difficult to achieve. Probably people not used to playing against him after he suddenly got picked up so people could check it out.

mack9112May 10, 20191 votes

Or the kit was restructured correctly

Dope SoloMay 10, 20191 votes

Let's be honest for just a moment, - how many things has riot actually gotten correct over the last year?

mack9112May 10, 20191 votes

A pretty fair number of things alotta healthy changes to problematic champions along with rebalancing of the ad itemization ... what things have they gotten wrong exactly ?

Dope SoloMay 11, 20191 votes

Season H8. Ignite buffs, teleport nerfs, clash, ranked roles, tier adjustments, the matchmaking clusterfuck, their entire corporate toxic culture, (lol seriously, you want to do this?)

mack9112May 11, 20193 votes

Ignite was nerfed to a balanced state now. Teleport is in a healthy state with its previous iteration too overbearIng being a requirement top.

They attempted to give more variety in multiple roles and it didn’t work so they reverted it like they said they would.

Clash had numerous technical issues that could not be solved they have apologized for it from what i understand server issues was the primary problem which they are still working to this day heck I recall just a few days they stating an update is on the way .

If you follow the entire video game developement world everywhere you go that toxic atmosphere exists and it is changing but that is not a riot exlusive issue.

Actual game state is in a healthy position with your only two complaints being about runes that in my opinion are well balanced.

Dope SoloMay 11, 20191 votes

That's a fair summary of every fanboy apologist thread posted over the last year. Good job.

mack9112May 11, 20192 votes

The fact you have nothing to argue back kinda says it all my man ... you have yet to show any facts behind tahms kit change being bad and just continue to spew hate about a video game company.

Dope SoloMay 11, 20191 votes

How about...drawing the OP line at a 54.5% win rate enabling this trash to happen, Vayne Riven Vladimir , while nerfing TahmKench with a 42% win rate..

and you never had an argument to support the other 10 things riots hasn't done so well at over the last year, you just repeated excuses other fanboys already posted.

mack9112May 11, 20192 votes

I don’t understand this aruement how is it a nerf if his winrate went up ?

They restructured his kit took power out of his devour and put power in his other abilities

Riven is getting a nerf and rage blade is being nerfed .

Come on dude just buy grevous wounds for vlad ....

Dope SoloMay 11, 20191 votes

Come on dude, just admit riot hasn't done that great a job.

mack9112May 11, 20192 votes

if you want to say something like that you need to present actual facts to support it other than calling what they do epic terrible which is just BM

Dope SoloMay 11, 20191 votes

I just did.

mack9112May 11, 20191 votes

I must have missed it XD plz repeat

Dope SoloMay 11, 20191 votes

Just what is going on at Riot games? https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/riot-games-walkout-1203206306/?yptr=yahoo Are the employees engaged, or is the toxic culture there losing focus on actual work that needs done?

mack9112May 11, 20191 votes

It is an indication the gaming culture has to change which includes the development side

BeatzBoyFTWMay 10, 20191 votes

How many people are even playing him?

i piss in jugsMay 10, 20191 votes

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How many people are even playing him?

I almost 800K XP on him. Originally I played him a lot only because of his tiny hat on his big fat head.

Vlada CutMay 10, 20192 votes

He's toxic on top lane again. If you pick melee you automatically lose, gotta play Vayne more often then.

i piss in jugsMay 10, 20191 votes

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He's toxic on top lane again. If you pick melee you automatically lose, gotta play Vayne more often then.

Tahm top is freelo most of the time. I like running that little shit Teemo down and eating him over and over

RaoulMay 11, 20192 votes

Didnt you hear? Support just means "poke with your Q" now. All other abilities are not even supposed to be worth leveling...

i piss in jugsMay 10, 20191 votes

You cannot nerf my Tahm Kench

Thomas Kenchington III to quote a teammate of mine... LOL

The only thing that nerfs my Kench is booze and that's my own doing.

KVbqbFsC8eMay 10, 20191 votes

I don't like them at all. It just pushed him into the toplane where he has always been an extremely unfun champion to lane against as melee.

haaaaaaalpMay 11, 20191 votes

This is probably the best position that has been in a long time. His pick rate ranges from 3-5%, winrate ranges from 49-51%, and his ban rate is around 2-3%. He is undertuned a bit and not in a perfect spot but overall, this is a huge improvement and he is in a healthier spot than the majority of champions in the game.

iiGazeiiMay 11, 20191 votes

Yeah, his rank 1 R is really bad, and his W doesn't let him save his teammates for free anymore.

However, everything else got buffed.

His Q went from "nuisance" to "terror-inducing". The slow has some meat to it now. If you get hit by Tahm's Q at any point in the game, from laning to late-game, you will get hit by something else. He's so much better at setting up trades and keeping enemies from reaching his carry.

His poke damage went way up as well. His W is much more sustainable in lane now as a damage tool since the mana cost and cooldown get halved on enemies. If you do manage to eat the enemy carry, the new flat damage (rather than % based) hurts.

His E is just better. You get more gray health and more healing from that gray health, and it no longer has a mana cost, so he is free to spend his mana on his Q and W without needing to worry about not having enough to save himself.

His ult at rank 1 sucks, but it's amazing at rank 2 and godly at rank 3. You can basically go across the entire map if you can reach level 16. You have Teleport in your pocket, so you can split push in the late game for free.

He no longer boils down to one ability that is problematic in pro play, but weak on the ladder. These changes are a massive buff to Tahm.

Dope SoloMay 11, 20191 votes

I was never that attached to the ally save...it was super fun to play though. I take him top, mostly for fun. Yeah, some of the changes are ok, he just does no damage and needs a buff to W, take it out of Q I don't really care but he lost his ability to tank vs tank when they gutted it. There is ZERO utility for a team fight in this kit. Riot is so determined to turn this game into a mindless arcade style shooter they can't handle getting blocked by saves. In a game moving away from strategy, its not a good place for Tahm anymore.

i piss in jugsMay 11, 20191 votes

What I know for sure is the forums are full of incessant whiners.