Nasus's Wither should increase cast time on the enemy

KONO RUBICK DA··5 votes·478 views

It makes them older, they move and attack slowly, they should also cast spells slowly. right now it has 47% attack speed slow. Give it 47% casting time slow. brand's W has 0.25 seconds cast time, it should increase it to 0.38

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Jbels3 votes

No. Absolutely not. It's already strong enough with a 90% slow, and it's already pretty much Exhaust on a spamable cooldown. There's no reason to give it that big a buff

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

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No. Absolutely not. It's already strong enough with a 90% slow, and it's already pretty much Exhaust on a spamable cooldown. There's no reason to give it that big a buff

there's actually a reason right now. Nasus is 100% less better than any viable top laner right now, if you give him this buff there will be a situation where he will be better than the other, against high cast time champions like volibear and vladimir.

big buff? are you seriously calling a 0.1 seconds or 0.2 seconds delay to a spell "strong buff" ?

Doctor Jarvis2 votes

"Shit, Nasus just Withered me...well, I'll show him! I'll use my combo and...oh, right" Its a pretty big buff; if you really want to see it buffed (and I cannot emphasize enough how little he needs a WITHER buff)...no, really that's it. Its unneeded. Rework his stupid "ring of fire"; make him a true scaling tank and give him a useful ability here.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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"Shit, Nasus just Withered me...well, I'll show him! I'll use my combo and...oh, right" Its a pretty big buff; if you really want to see it buffed (and I cannot emphasize enough how little he needs a WITHER buff)...no, really that's it. Its unneeded. Rework his stupid "ring of fire"; make him a true scaling tank and give him a useful ability here.

what "oh right"? if you use 4 spells, it will adds 0.4 seconds which is the duration of a kassadin silence x4. it won't affect you if you are brand or malz. Will only affect you if you have a hard cast time spell like lux/ezreal ulti, or if you use it often like vladimir, and in this case you can pick nasus in this situation to be powerfull.

You want to make him scaling tank? he already scale hard and he does more damage lifesteal more and tank more, his scaling is already ok.

Doctor Jarvis2 votes

And I don't want "scaling tank Nasus" to have a stupi, pointless ability. I have never once been afraid of his Spirit Fire. It should get changed. And yeah, if you're Brand, this will affect you; if you miss an ability while Nasus is keeping you in his grips you're dead (you were dead once you were withered anyway, but thats not the point)

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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And I don't want "scaling tank Nasus" to have a stupi, pointless ability. I have never once been afraid of his Spirit Fire. It should get changed. And yeah, if you're Brand, this will affect you; if you miss an ability while Nasus is keeping you in his grips you're dead (you were dead once you were withered anyway, but thats not the point)

the heck?, spirit fire is a "can't duel me here". What game are you playing, spirit fire is what make nasus strong in late game. the damage is useless but -50 armor? -50 flat armor? who has this in this game? it allows him to simply builds tank and not being afraid of armor.

pointless ability? i think you can't imagine how this ability will save life

example: TahmKench Q has a long cast time, your allies will be able to dodge it easier with wither Darius ulti has 0.75 seconds cast time, with wither, champions like fiora can shield it easier

Sasogwa1 votes

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the heck?, spirit fire is a "can't duel me here". What game are you playing, spirit fire is what make nasus strong in late game. the damage is useless but -50 armor? -50 flat armor? who has this in this game? it allows him to simply builds tank and not being afraid of armor.

pointless ability? i think you can't imagine how this ability will save life

example: TahmKench Q has a long cast time, your allies will be able to dodge it easier with wither Darius ulti has 0.75 seconds cast time, with wither, champions like fiora can shield it easier

40 armor. And the fact that any one with a black cleaver would actually shred a similar amount if not more is a bit stupid and kinda makes Spirit Fire look a bit weak.

What if Nasus also received a 10/15/20/25/30 armor/mr bonus while standing in his circle. That could make him more durable and more of a juggernaught that stands his grounds more than someone who goes to chase the enemy. The cons would be possibly making him stronger than wanted (tbh I highly doubt that it would make him OP), and the fact the ability would be slightly overloaded.

PS : to all those who say wither is like exhaust : nope. Exhaust is far stronger than Wither for reducing DPS. If Nasus' wither was in its old form of 35 to 95 % attack speed slow, ok. Now, not anymore. It's a 17.5 -> 47.5 % as slow at max rank, which is a 32.5% average attack speed slow. Exhaust? 30% AS, 10 Armor/Mr, 40% damage dealt It would be like exhaust if it had a % damage reduction on it as well.

Jbels1 votes

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there's actually a reason right now. Nasus is 100% less better than any viable top laner right now, if you give him this buff there will be a situation where he will be better than the other, against high cast time champions like volibear and vladimir.

big buff? are you seriously calling a 0.1 seconds or 0.2 seconds delay to a spell "strong buff" ?

Ok, then it's a pointless buff. What would the ability do to Vlad or Voli? Exactly the same thing it already does

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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Ok, then it's a pointless buff. What would the ability do to Vlad or Voli? Exactly the same thing it already does

volibear has a strong casting time on the ultimate, it also slows his AS and ms which hurts volibear Vlad has low cooldown spells, Q and E has like 3 seconds and both of them has 0.25 seconds cast time

pointless buff? depend on the situation. every champions should have a niche

Sasogwa2 votes

For some reason, I think people think it's a slow on cooldowns. Or do they really think a nearly meaningless change doing cast times slightly longer would be a huge problem? Omg I take 0.1 sec more to launch my spell, gut Nasus?

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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For some reason, I think people think it's a slow on cooldowns. Or do they really think a nearly meaningless change doing cast times slightly longer would be a huge problem? Omg I take 0.1 sec more to launch my spell, gut Nasus?

if you are a burst mages like veigar,brand,malz,syndra this shouldn't be a problem, there should not be a "omg i can't cast spells against nasus"

Rysophage1 votes

its already a free exhaust on like a 6 second CD. are you out of your fucking mind?

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I'm saying this as a Nasus player.

Please, no.

It's quite annoying to have your cast-times vary since it can throw you off when you use your abilities. As minor as it seems, it can be quite noticeable on certain champions and can screw up their chasing/kiting.

If you want a similar example, Riven's combo can be thrown off by attack speed slows, making the Riven accidently cancel autoattacks if they don't slow down.

It wouldn't really have any benefit for Nasus and it would be annoying for other players. It seems like an unnecessary change.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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I'm saying this as a Nasus player.

Please, no.

It's quite annoying to have your cast-times vary since it can throw you off when you use your abilities. As minor as it seems, it can be quite noticeable on certain champions and can screw up their chasing/kiting.

If you want a similar example, Riven's combo can be thrown off by attack speed slows, making the Riven accidently cancel autoattacks if they don't slow down.

It wouldn't really have any benefit for Nasus and it would be annoying for other players. It seems like an unnecessary change.

that's the whole point of the spell, champions who rely on AA are already screwed up when they chase. there should be no problems with mages

it seems annoying for other players? attack speed slow isn't when you are playing jax?

Daen1 votes

Wither is already one of the most frustrating and overall bullshit abilities in the game, buffing it like this would make Nasus effectively impossible to deal with.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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Wither is already one of the most frustrating and overall bullshit abilities in the game, buffing it like this would make Nasus effectively impossible to deal with.

it has 500 range since riot nerfed it, you have no escuse to not being able to deal with nasus

Daen1 votes

it has 500 range since riot nerfed it

False. Wither has 600 range, making it a relatively long range spell for its ease of use.

you have no escuse to not being able to deal with nasus

Wither is a targeted stacking 90% movement slow and 45% attack speed slow with 75.8% uptime when Nasus has two items. This ability is already extraordinarily strong, and allowing Nasus to wreck casters in addition to autoattackers basically pushes him from niche to hard countering every top laner in the game.

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