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Why Edge of Night should be disabled until fixed

Mira Arya Enthe··44 votes·2,160 views

It isn't a 'defensive option', it is a busted terror weapon that means 3-4 people on each team can act with utter impunity. I am not seeing it 'occasionally' picked, I see edge of night more than I see fucking boots anymore. Cool idea Riot but it is busted as busted gets. Either gut the stats or gut the shield. It is like if Zonya's was 10x more powerful. Yes I am tilted, yes I am salty, but god damn even my 17/3/10 Pantheon game didn't feel fun using that shit the other day, it felt cheap and unfair. Isn't this exactly why Banshee's veil is kept mostly crappy compared to SV?

Toxic as hell. It isn't "annoying when seen" like some champions or items. It is literally making every single match miserable as hell. I am actually taking a break as of now. I have never been so tilted in my life about a game as watching 4 enemies with EoN spin around doing as they please because all our CC bounces off of them.

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Big Lincoln13 votes

10 second shield is way too long and breaks the item

nerf it to like 3 so that you don't have such a massive safety net

honestly I think it could do with less AD as well, it's pretty high-end for also being a strong defensive purchase

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

^this

Moooose33 votes

Don't forget the nonexistent cooldown so you can spam that thing multiple times in the same teamfight. Great design.

Sp33d Zer05 votes

What team fight are you in that is lasting 30 seconds?

Moooose32 votes

It's an exaggeration.

Glory ln Death1 votes

What teamfight are you in where you take no damage and don't use abilities/autos for the 1.5 second channel time?

Thefrostyviking1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Glory ln Death,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BUA5uy44,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2017-02-17T19:41:50.486+0000)

What teamfight are you in where you take no damage and don't use abilities/autos for the 1.5 second channel time?

Assassins currently use this to roam around and block whichever hope you had of stopping them and then oneshotting you.

And then they flank for teamfights or go invis so that it isn't lost before it's needed.

I could outplay a talon using it as Diana with zhonya but damm it was never easy and he killed me if i was alone more often than not.

Glory ln Death1 votes

I was referring to the previous commenter's claim that champions use Edge of Night multiple times in a teamfight.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Glory ln Death,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BUA5uy44,comment-id=00020001000100000000,timestamp=2017-02-17T22:52:59.926+0000)

I was referring to the previous commenter's claim that champions use Edge of Night multiple times in a teamfight.

oh.

My bad then.

Altho i wonder know how that could be possible, any lethality user fight ends in seconds.

Mira Arya Enthe8 votes

The thing is, most assassins and skirmishers who would be enticed to buy the item, are(or should be) already designed to get in and get solo kills or clean up without such an item.

For example Zed, Zed is designed to be able to get into a fight, burst a squishy and escape without too much trouble. Why the extra free spell shield? And AP assassins like Kat, Akali and LeBlanc don't need it, Zonya's stuns yourself on a longer CD and doesn't give magic pen. It also lasts much shorter. Oh or a champion I like, Riven. Riven is designed to be able to weave in and out of fights, burst, cleanup, skirmish, without such an item being needed. If she wants a spellshield she has to pay for the sacrifice of taking banshee's. That is healthy. Unhealthy is random free, never ending spellshield.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

I'll give you a quick reason why assassins now need a spell shield when they didn't before. Becuase their burst has gottwn slower.

The days when Zed or Talon would instagib someone is gone UNLESS they are really fed.

So now the enemy has a few seconds to CC them, and then they die. What the spellshield is meant for is to give the Assassin the chance to do his dirty work WITHOUT turning up his damage to be able to instamurder without a chance to respond.

That being said, Edge of Night definitely needs some tweaks, but I don't believe it's a failed concept. On paper it can be balanced.

AMYS GRAVE5 votes

The days when Zed or Talon would instagib someone is gone UNLESS they are really fed.

But the days when kha and rengar do it are alive and well.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

In zed's case getting smacked with that one cc kinda just ends your attempt in most cases or ends your life in a teamfight. That on top of exhaust, redemption, and locket he needs something to help him out. Leblanc can do most of her damage from a range and kat get's resets and AOE damage. She has more to offer to a team than kill that one squishy + she has a lot more non ult damage now to boot. Heh akali. That zhonya's comparison. Edge of night doesn't make you invulnerable and doesn't give armor. Edge of night may be dumb as hell right now but i've yet to see a reason to try comparing it to zhonyas when they don't have any similar uses.

The assassin rework in general left a lot to be desired for the champions who riot expected to stack lethality while the one's who could go bruiser just did that to succeed. Now we sit at the opposite spectrum where lethality is hella stupid and it broke lethality stackers. Bless riot.

Forhonor3215 votes

This item has just become the bane of my whole experience when playing League now a days. I literally can not see it in any game I play because it's that good/OP. The fact that it gives a Banshee's Veil for 10 SECONDS after a 1.5 delay is just stupid, at least when it comes to being abused on so many champions,Draven Jhin Jayce Khazix & Quinn are to name a few.

I know Riot created this to help assassins get in and do their burst, but the only assassin I can really think of that really needed this, at least off the top of my head, is Talon. Rengar has his clense/mini Olaf ult, Leblanc/Kat/ any AP assassin have Zhonya's (or ult in Ekko's case) and other champs like Zed can kinda already get in, do a burst, and get out.

Bottom line: It's a poorly made item. Having one item that can block abilities is one thing, since referenced item doesn't give any offensive stats thus making it specifically a defense item for certain champs, but having an item that can pretty much do the same thing but give offense and be so abused easily by certain champs is just not cool. If I could choose what to really do with this item in the game, I'd downright rework it completely or better yet remove it entirely.

It's just not fun to play against when an entire enemy team builds 3-4 of these.

Perma CC5 votes

Ive decided to take a break until further notice as well. I can't play the game as it is in this state. Lethality and Edge of Night need to be rebalanced.

EbonyBladeJ884 votes

I'm honestly surprised you haven't been downvoted to oblivion over the subject of your post.

But I digress. EoN is certainly an item with issues. I'm even seeing on Champs who you wouldn't expect to see Spell-Shield-like items on. It's probably for the Lethality (Which is a whole different matter altogether) and the AD for the new crop of folks I've seen it on lately.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Hmm. Like what Big Lincoln said, the duration should be shortened.

An Assassin worth his salt should be able to get his job done in the limited time frame. The other abusers that siege with it will be out of luck.

I am kinda okay with lowering AD on it but remember that Assassins have to be enticed to buy it. Perhaps the activatable spellshield will make it a better option than banshees even if it gave no AD, that should be tested.

I suppose what keeps Maw fair is that you can't control it's activation and it doesnt give pen.

The Yetii Rider3 votes

Literal overpowered, unfair, ridiculous items like Runic Bulwark weren't disabled. And Runic Bulwark was simply removed from the game, not nerfed. No reason to disable.

LankPants3 votes

Let's disable it for a patch, when people work out it's better that way we can just not re-enable it.

McFatal2 votes

its not that broken on melees its only because of ranged that this is a problem.

dontnerf the entire item because of a certain class fucking everyone else over.

Mira Arya Enthe14 votes

Except it is... wtf is a 'evil' ranged champion like Ashe suppose to do vs a Lee Sin, Quinn and Talon all stacking that shit?

There are loads of melee champions who abuse it.

McFatal1 votes

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Except it is... wtf is a 'evil' ranged champion like Ashe suppose to do vs a Lee Sin, Quinn and Talon all stacking that shit?

There are loads of melee champions who abuse it.

quinn >

talon is an awful champion.

lee is squishy if he does that and dies instantly.

TyrekGoldenspear11 votes

Ahem...

Talon isn't awful. Parkour. End of discussion.

Hello I am Bird4 votes

LMAOOO Lee being squishy

Red Wreckage1 votes

not get caught alone in jungle maybe?

also, any champ if fed enough can dive and delete you in middle of your team with out without EoN. Talon/Rengar/Kha'zix could do it before lethality.

Thefrostyviking3 votes

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not get caught alone in jungle maybe?

also, any champ if fed enough can dive and delete you in middle of your team with out without EoN. Talon/Rengar/Kha'zix could do it before lethality.

Except they could be stopped by mages before. Or ADC's with utility like Ashe if you CC'ed them right away. Now this does not work :(

Some days ago a Kha6 leapt in ontop of me with EOA and i tried to W-R but i died before i could stop him.

Guyy Fieri3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BUA5uy44,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-02-17T03:21:24.645+0000)

Except it is... wtf is a 'evil' ranged champion like Ashe suppose to do vs a Lee Sin, Quinn and Talon all stacking that shit?

There are loads of melee champions who abuse it.

That moment when you are preaching about how ranged champs don't abuse it yet you lost Quinn as an abuser of the item...

Thefrostyviking2 votes

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That moment when you are preaching about how ranged champs don't abuse it yet you lost Quinn as an abuser of the item...

I think Arya is thinking about the so called classic ADC's like ashe, cait or jinx or even kog.

Quinn is just a ranged talon.

Handy Sandy 2 votes

OHHHHH

EoN = Edge of Night

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Yep. Newest Assassin toy that's a tad powerful.

GuesstheName1322 votes

Honestly, they need to give Banshee's a buff to make it a viable pick overall. When they nerfed it a long time a go, they made it practically useless. Now that EoN is a new, better version of Banshee's Veil, I think they could buff Banshee's and to bring it up to speed with the current meta. Not only that, but it would make it an option over EoN for champions not assassins. With Banshee's, you can get the shield, MR, and health. So you get more tanky, making you harder to kill with a damage loss (which is fine for some) vs taking a short shield with a damage boost but still being super squishy.

That's just my opinion though.

WinTheWarOnPants2 votes

I said this item was gonna be total BS the day it was announced. Why do we need another spell shield item? item 3102 was fine and we have Nocturne Sivir spell shield in their kits(both AD btw) ... if you needed a spell shield before then you had to invest in the def. It also has much better counterplay. item 3814 is better than banshees in every way. the shield is up WAY more often and you use it when you need it, instead of waiting for it to come off CD and then trying to not lose it. Its also just stupid that its an AD item which further skews the AD vs AP discrepancy. If this active NEEDS to be in the game then if should be on an Hp def item like item 3800 or a rework of item 3102 (since no one even buys this item anymore with item 3065 and item 3814 in the game)

GiantEnemyShaco2 votes

Edge of Night would be a lot better as an Assassin tool if it procced on damage instead of being an active. For example, an Assassin has to deal something like 30% of someone's health in damage and THEN they get the spellshield.

That way assassins can no longer pop shield and run at the team like animals like they do now. They actually have to go in first and then the spellshield gives them a way to get out. Getting caught before they can... well... assassinate their target, shuts them down.

That would actually do what Riot wanted the item to do in the first place.

Red Wreckage1 votes

poor adc main lul

spamming how OP EoN and lethality is all over the place.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

*Shyvana main

Thefrostyviking2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BUA5uy44,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2017-02-17T16:24:57.918+0000)

*Shyvana main

I know the feel, i just played a Ashe game where i was essentially supporting my support MF by acting as bait and ulting whoever she was targeting.

"Adc in 2k17 lul" still going strong :(

Maddened King 1 votes

Non-assassin in 2k17 LUL

Thefrostyviking1 votes

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Non-assassin in 2k17 LUL

Darius andFiora would like a word with you x)

Yasuo and Vayne too most likely.

And lets not forgetCamille

ItsOrval1 votes

Literally last game we were facing 5 squishies and everyone had an Edge of Night but the support. They group mid, push, activate Edge of Night, attack under tower, make us waste our abilities to get rid of their shield, they then back and repeat. Was the most annoying shit in the world.

notice me Sin pi1 votes

reduce the duration drastically, increase cooldown drastically, and i'd be fine with the item

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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It isn't a 'defensive option', it is a busted terror weapon that means 3-4 people on each team can act with utter impunity. I am not seeing it 'occasionally' picked, I see edge of night more than I see fucking boots anymore. Cool idea Riot but it is busted as busted gets. Either gut the stats or gut the shield. It is like if Zonya's was 10x more powerful. Yes I am tilted, yes I am salty, but god damn even my 17/3/10 Pantheon game didn't feel fun using that shit the other day, it felt cheap and unfair. Isn't this exactly why Banshee's veil is kept mostly crappy compared to SV?

Toxic as hell. It isn't "annoying when seen" like some champions or items. It is literally making every single match miserable as hell. I am actually taking a break as of now. I have never been so tilted in my life about a game as watching 4 enemies with EoN spin around doing as they please because all our CC bounces off of them.

What a shame. I too have taken a break from ranked solo/duo, any gains or losses I would make in a meta such as this would be illegitimate and not representative of my true skill or the skill of those who face me and play with me.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Hard to enjoy playing any of my champions right now tbh

Shyvana Leona Ashe

So I will not be playing ranked until EoN is fixed. Maybe not even normals. Might even play Aram...

Tychusfindlay9192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BUA5uy44,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2017-02-17T16:24:22.458+0000)

Hard to enjoy playing any of my champions right now tbh

Shyvana Leona Ashe

So I will not be playing ranked until EoN is fixed. Maybe not even normals. Might even play Aram...

ARAMs are fun, but even then theres still the chance of getting a beat ass comp.

My last aram was me in an all ap team with nautilus vs a team that had quinn, twitch, and lee sin.

Lee and quinn proceeded to build the cancer (EoN and Youmoos) and twitch thankfully was stupid and only bought half a serving of cancer (youmoos), we still lost horribly lul.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

I just played a game against a talon as Diana jungle my strategy for beating him was simple.

I told my teemo to walk up first and when talon blew all his CDS to kill the teemo i killed him.

It worked 10 times.

Teemo is the solution.

Pyrotorch691 votes

I don't think any item in the game should give someone the ability to cut someones damage by one third unless u wanna count ults, then a quarter. And didn't riot just go over talking about making assassins healthy and adding counter play? This item straight up removes counter play. Say a zed jumps you and u only have 2 abilities you can use, what can you honestly do? And I said 2 because he doesn't care about 1 of them. Why try fixing assassins if your only going to make them even less fair? Heres an idea riot, keep the item, but give every role a zonyas and a spell shield on command too. THAT'S FUN RIGHT. WHY NOT?

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