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I just don't feel like tank is enjoyable to play anymore.

LegendmakerGX··44 votes·3,721 views

It's get destroyed here by non stop high damage or there from poke of lethality. I love playing tank since i can help CC and tank for my team in the back line but I just don't like how much damage there is that it makes me seem useless because AD top AD jungler AD adc on me it feels like they shred me even with my team mate backing me up.

This is getting to the point that even with CC they can ignore you and go for the back line with their high damage. Only one that is a single bit good still is Nautilus. People might say he is crazy tanky and it is true but that is practically because of his shield that has a low cooldown but for other top tank it feel like total crap for them.

I miss the days when I go tank it means something, not if i go tank and enemy has lethality then I am fked. CC is good on tank but what if the CC is over? They can ignore you and just focus on the back line. If you look at the current champion list for top you will see there is rarely any tank on the top list other then malphite but that's because of his ult/attack speed slow, the rest are high damage dealers.

I'm hearing they are planning to nerf Ninja tabi and if this is true then I swear Riot is turning League of Legend to a piece of shit that only matters to who can deal the most damage rather then strategies like the past. I don't play Dota other then 3 games in the past but that game seems like he has more planning then this LoL where it feel like you can work together and win.

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dominusx22 votes

meanwhile i enjoy autolosing lane by default vs tanks unless i play Darius who gets outscaled in terms of teamfighting because after they buy half an item they become unkillable unless the tank player is completely autistic and lets me hit him 10times it's also fun killing the same tank player but him remaining perfectly relevant even 30cs down and 2 lvls down to me when other champs become unplayable if they die like once in lane. Also fun when i'm ahead as an assasin and the 0-3 tank player can fight me or at least stall enough to get back up. Yeh tanks are so useless.... looking at Maokai with sunfire cape and tabi assasinating adc's lmfao. And trust me i dont defend adcs i flame pretty much everysingle ad player in both EU/EUNE servers as soon as they even talk to me.

Ben Sharpio3 votes

darius needs to be nerfed

dominusx17 votes

he already is. if you cant deal with a darius you are just bad. here are champs that actually need to be nerfed. Ahri Caitlyn Ivern Janna Jayce Katarina Maokai Nautilus LeeSin .

Also sorry but idgaf if Darius is good at killing low elos no offence but low elos would lose to soraka top

TyrekGoldenspear6 votes

High elo would lose to Soraka top under the correct circumstances tbh.

Also yeah, tanks should get more tank, less damage.

Ralanr2 votes

Or less reliable damage with more unreliable damage.

Cause less damage makes it harder for tank junglers (and top laners, but top lane tanks shouldn't have so much reliable damage to help them win lane or farm).

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Cause less damage makes it harder for tank junglers

They already said they're willing to increase damage against monsters should Tank junglers need it.

Ralanr1 votes

Yeah that just feels like a really dumb bandaid imo. I hope that it would not be needed.

Aimléss2 votes

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Dabrick0110 votes

Yes she does.

However, she does not need number nerfs.

Her traps are Cancer.

She can place them right under you for nearly permanent CC. She crits for your entire health bar without any skill there. Traps can stay under tower without losing duration and are just a unhealthy part of her kit.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

nah. her nets are the unhealthy part of her kit. traps cant activate on mobs and minions. only on enemy champs. they dont grant very much vision. that net though grants her mobility that she shouldnt have and so her movement speed gets docked and it even does headshot procs on minions and monsters. if the traps were given the net properties so that placing them down inside of a wave of minions was impossible and her nest was just a basic CC she'd be better balanced.

Dabrick011 votes

Her net is fine. It's her traps.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

no. think about it. she has a skill that does basically the same thing as her W but at range and it allows her to wall jump and it scales from AP. if she had a legitimate E they could take some power out of her kit and rebalance her to have 4 abilities instead of 2.5

Brain Errör 4041 votes

I hope people realize Ahri also doesn't need a number nerf. Really tired of seeing Ahri nerf threads when the most annoying thing about her is her mobility, not her damage.

Dabrick011 votes

She literally needs an everything nerf.

Her damage is too high for the amount of CC and mobility she has.

Her CC might be gated by the fact that it's a skill shot, but they have to balance around the LCS, where she is almost pick or ban.

Brain Errör 4041 votes

She doesn't need an everything nerf. Ahri has one of the lowest damage output of all mages mid lane. She's only picked in LCS for her safety. She doesn't need to be balanced for LCS, because if she is, she'll get killed for soloQ. At that point, hitting that speed buff on her Q is ALL they need to do to nerf Ahri. Any more than that, and the champ will get GUTTED. Also, the CD on the ulti can be upped.

SzGamer2271 votes

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If she gets no kills in lane she practically doesn't even exist till 30 minutes.

Stated boldly as evidence without acknowledging the fact that literally every adc has this drawback. A true display of confident ignorance if I've ever seen one.

Aimléss1 votes

Caitlyn is one of the worst ADC's when it comes to that fact. Maybe you should refrain from using such bold words like ignorant since you may be the ignorant one.

SzGamer2271 votes

I can be fairly confident in assuming that since the adc role is designed to be weak in the earlygame and an especially strong carry in the late game, that being behind as any adc would result in being virtually nonexistant for a long period of time.

The poster did not include reasoning or evidence to support why Caitlyn might be worse than other adc's, or suggest that other adc's were being taken into consideration at all, which is at the very least lazy. Since I (perhaps falsely) assume that lazy arguments are most often the result of people who don't know what they're talking about, I am so bold as to apply the word ignorant until evidence to disprove the statement is presented.

doodlebob6662 votes

is maokai still that bad i mean he can barely wave clear in lane anymore without the fall damage from the saplings and runs out of mana really fast unless he has an iceborn

sirwaterfles1 votes

Are you banned on this account from lol?

dominusx1 votes

yes sir sorry. You can check WDx even tho i gave up on it ever since my winrate dropped from 58% to 53% but you can at least see my champ pool there. I got many other accs but i dont share em public.

sirwaterfles1 votes

No need to apoligise. I was just wondering since you are always so agressive and belitteling of other peoples opinion and that you hadnt played a game since halfway last year. I see you regularly posting on these boards and i would agree more with you if you could tone that down a bit.

dominusx1 votes

i wont. i really wont hehe as long as stupid shit is posted i wont.

sirwaterfles1 votes

All you say aint pure gold to. Like maokai still needs nerfs and your reason remarks in the ninjatabi and item 3123 conversation. Doesnt say i need to go insult you. What would even be the point? Way more productive to ask why you still think Mao is to strong so i can show you that he isnt and maybe get some new insights on the way.

SzGamer2271 votes

Someone actually made it to Diamond with Soraka top. Below Master tier you can crush ELO with anything provided you're good enough at it. Only in high Diamond do you stop being able to climb just by being good at the game, but if a Nunu main can make it to challenger, anything is possible.

Anyways, a low LEO player would lose to Soraka top 50% of the time because the Soraka top would be the same MMR. Doesn't have anything to do with how bad low ELOs are.

Leona OP1 votes

a low LEO player

!!!

MrHaZeYo7 votes

If they have all 3 Leth items and you have two armor items, that leth is useless against you.

They need Cleaver and/or Last Whisper for Leth to do anything.

abca987 votes

I love when i go full armor and still this idiot Yasuo slices me like if i was butter.

Skias2 votes

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I love when i go full armor and still this idiot Yasuo slices me like if i was butter.

Free armor pen. That's why.

Knoyle7 votes

But it's ok cuz it's only applied to crits /s

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50000000000000002 votes

But 6 Randuin's would make him useless /s

chipndip11 votes

If the enemy was all ad, 5 Randies doesn't sound too bad, given a Yasuo...

Skias2 votes

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But it's ok cuz it's only applied to crits /s

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Lol, right. Most irrelevant change ever.

Makharya4 votes

It nerfed his early game.

And the point was to nerf yasuo tank. It was reached. The change was good.

HateDaddy5 votes

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Lol, right. Most irrelevant change ever.

It wasn't actually. It killed bruiser yasuo.

Spoofghoul6 votes

the worst part is that tanks are getting focused because they stand in front

normally that would have been a bad thing to do you dont want to waste your damage on the tank

but now

nah just blows up as fast as the adc

Dynikus5 votes

Lethality isn't now, nor has it ever been, a counter for armor. % armor pen from black cleaver and last whisper are what you should be complaining about. Building every last bit of lethality you can, you might negate the armor from 1 armor item.

Penns1 votes

Tfw "Tabi arent broken, everyone buys them because its a good counter to lethality" Meanwhile "300 armor gets shred by lethality" Kappa

Ralanr5 votes

300 armor only gets hurt by lethality when you have last whisper and Cleaver.

Anhartamin1 votes

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Ralanr3 votes

Because it's equally effective against squishy targets.

There is no downside to the build.

Anhartamin3 votes

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Ralanr2 votes

Why shouldn't you make a choice between what targets you want to be more effective against?

I don't like the lethality adc builds because it doesn't help their diversity at all. It's just too useful against everyone and is pretty much good all game. Since ADCs are supposed to be a late game class that trade early power, it's kinda annoying to see them get early power and not really sacrifice how effective they are late.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

In a very very very technical sense they do give up a good late with a lethality build.

At least compared to a crit build.

Ralanr2 votes

The difference feels pretty negligible. Don't they get more flat AD than crit users since all their items have AD?

If so, then lethality builds are even better against towers since while armor pen doesn't work on towers, neither does crit under normal circumstances. So they get more AD to hurt towers with.

The downsides don't seem to have much impact.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I actually made a thread on this.

I'd rather link it to you than try to explain again.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Il7FqrLg-why-jhin-is-strong-with-lethality

Ralanr2 votes

I have no problem against Lethality, just when it combines with %pen because then it doesn't feel like it falls off at all.

If it was just a flat pen build, then the late game really would be bad.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

This is a result of how it interacts with %pen

Right now flat pen is applied last when it really should apply first.

bbQsauçe4 votes

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Skias3 votes

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Lethality doesn't counter armor. I want to kill myself everytime i see riven players going lethality against tanks like sion in the top lane, when they could buy black cleaver and make his life miserable.

It's awesome if someone else has cleaver. Then you have lethality and LW, that tank loses 80% of their armor.

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