Assassins can't assassinate anymore

XinZhao2WinNhao·Nov 14, 2016·9 votes·1,304 views

Name an assassin post rework that can beat a Graves or a Quinn or even an Ashe or Kogmaw? Aren't assassin supposed to beat adcs?

27 Comments

RalanrNov 14, 20163 votes

As long as Talon has the element of surprise, he wins.

Except against Graves. Too tanky.

XinZhao2WinNhaoNov 14, 20161 votes

Before rework an assassin and an adc standing and dueling, the assassin would win, and should.

Now they don't.

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

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Before rework an assassin and an adc standing and dueling, the assassin would win, and should.

Now they don't.

Because I should clearly approach this fight head on.

Why the hell would you willingly let them see you coming?

XinZhao2WinNhaoNov 14, 20161 votes

The point is that melee stats should be higher than ranged, and most assassins are melee, so an assassin and adc building the same build should result in the assassin winning.

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

Base resistances do not outscale base damages.

And assassins do not build the same. Assassins scale off raw AD or AP while marksmen scale off of crit.

And you really do not want to approach a fight fairly as an assassin. You will be gunned down.

XinZhao2WinNhaoNov 14, 20161 votes

Not every assassin works the same way.

Some assassins are meant to fight, like Yi or Trynd for example.

Other assassins build crit just like ADCs, such as Khazix.

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

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Not every assassin works the same way.

True.

Some assassins are meant to fight, like Yi or Trynd for example.

Not assassins. Skirmishers.

Other assassins build crit just like ADCs, such as Kha'zix.

Does Kha'zix build crit? Champion GG says otherwise.

BladeSteelNov 15, 20161 votes

kha should NEVER EVER build crit lol. Only assassins that could build crit are rengar, talon, and shaco. And most of those only take an ie.

XinZhao2WinNhaoNov 15, 20161 votes

http://imgur.com/6CJorid

BladeSteelNov 15, 20161 votes

Thats one game. In bronze. You would have honestly done more if you had built other items. In bronze you could go full ap lee sin and get that score. Does it mean lee should be build ap?

XinZhao2WinNhaoNov 15, 20161 votes

I play normals against golds and plats.
how would you build AP lee sin
look at my match history, click khazix, i build him crit every time with a positive winrate and average 20+ kills a game

BladeSteelNov 15, 20161 votes

if you're so good then why don't you climb out of bronze.
you build him like every other non ad going ap champ. lichbane, hextech item, lichbane and full ap. I've done it before and got fed. ez.
can only see ranked games on your match history. and honestly none of those are impressive seeing as it is bronze. Your kills attribute more to the enemy messing up and less to the build. This is what the pros build. http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Khazix as you can see there are 0 crit items. I'll trust the pros over a bronze 4 player tyvm.

FlahertyNov 14, 20164 votes

I think that's the whole point of the changes, assassins should only win if they catch someone off guard. An assassin running up to you while you have enough time to react and get the first hit in and still beating you wasn't fair. Now most assassins have to actually work for the kill.

NarasimhaNov 14, 20161 votes

an assassin and an adc standing and dueling

Dude you're playing Assassin's Creed all sorts of wrong.

XinZhao2WinNhaoNov 14, 20161 votes

My point is that assassins should outscale ADCs.

But even if I get a surprise attack on an adc they still beat me, especially if they're Quinn and graves.

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

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My point is that assassins should outscale ADCs.

But even if I get a surprise attack on an adc they still beat me, especially if they're Quinn and graves.

ADCs are a late game class while assassins fall off mid. That's supposed to be the case.

Valor BotNov 14, 20161 votes

Quinn is a Marksman/Assassin hybrid but IMO she's better at being an Assassin than anything else, so you should probably just treat her like one.

Graves is a Marksman/Skirmisher hybrid which means you should be very careful about choosing your fights with him (especially in close quarters) as he's going to be able to tear through you while being pretty durable himself.

Idk, I think this game would be pretty stale if a particular class just flat out countered and won against another particular class every time; the fact there are some Champions who can fight back and often come out on top against all odds is part of what makes League so fresh and exciting to me.

theArtifactsNov 14, 20163 votes

This isn't Rock, Paper, Scissors (Lizard, Spock). Assassin beats Marksman isn't a thing. Skilled player (likely) beats less skilled player is a thing.

Akali is SO HOTNov 14, 20162 votes

Assassins are supposed to be the champions that can reliably kill ADCs in a fight the majority of times unless there are some outplays, screw ups, too much peel, etc. The update has made this significantly harder for Assassins to do and has made it much easier for ADCs to faceroll their keyboard and beat Assassins because of how bad most of them are now.

theArtifactsNov 15, 20161 votes

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Assassins are supposed to be the champions that can reliably kill ADCs in a fight the majority of times unless there are some outplays, screw ups, too much peel, etc. The update has made this significantly harder for Assassins to do and has made it much easier for ADCs to faceroll their keyboard and beat Assassins because of how bad most of them are now.

First of all, you're using the term ADC incorrectly. ADC = Attack Damage Carry. Tryndamere is an ADC. What you mean is Marksmen.

Secondly, Assassins are suppose to be highly burst oriented champions who can secure kills but #have to wait for the right moment to do so That doesn't mean they're supposed to be able to just dive and 100-0 every marksman in the game.

XinZhao2WinNhaoNov 14, 20162 votes

It is for every other role.

Rock = tank Paper = adc Scissors = assassin Lizard = mage Spock = bruiser

Adc beats tank, paper beats rock Assassin used to beat adc, scissors beat paper, but not not anymore Rock beats scissors, tank beats assassin Bruiser beats all and mage beats adc and assassin but gets owned by tank and bruiser

theArtifactsNov 15, 20162 votes

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It is for every other role.

Lmfao. You are so diluted.

ADC =/= Marksman
ADC does not ALWAYS beat tank.

This is a game about skill level differences and strategy. #Any player type has the potential to beat any player type If you truly think what you posted above you will always be low elo.