Mage players need to adapt or they'll continue to get crushed forever

Secretlolz··3 votes·670 views

Every single day I log into these boards I see endless QQ about how magic resist is "overpowered" and armor items for mages are "nonexistant", how assasins have 9001+ options for builds while mages have 3 items. (Usually linking Zhonya's). I'm here to tell you that if you do this on a daily basis you're an idiot, and you need to get your brain to work.

When I see a winning mage in my team (Plat I+ mid mains mind you) they are actually building VERY different to what they used previous season, and these builds change most games. THEY EVEN MAX SKILLS IN DIFFERENT ORDERS TO FIT THE CURRENT GAME. "WGAT? BUT BUT TEH BLHASPHEMYZ, MUH COOKIECUTTER MUH-" Shut the fuck up.

I'll give you a tiny example:

Orianna. A mage you can pick in literally any situation because she's versatile enough to adapt. Unlike most players in these boards.

Typical fail Orianna build I see feeders buying is something along the lines item 3174 item 3285 item 3089 item 3020 pretty generic, the most used last season. Usually feeds like crazy against most match ups but the ones this build is meant to be used.

Now

Orianna vs ZedTalon Quinn Mage vs Assasin. Utility vs Burst. Do we f*cking build rush item 3174 ? Fuck no. Do we fucking build item 3157 as first item (3500g, no mana, no health, average AP, 45 armor, 1 teamfight active)and try to 1v1 then complain about how broken assasins are? Fucking god no.

"Oh but what do we build then when mages have only 1 defensive item??111!111!!" Shut up Timmothy.

item 3191 into item 3010 into item 3027 into [Insert situational AP Item] item 3165 too much healing, item 3151 too many high health targets item 3174 prolonged siege/tower defense item 3092 fuck Nidalee, Gragas, Rengar, Lee Sin item 3157 if the game reaches late game with those long ass death timers/there is way too many people on their focusing you Add item 3158 somewhere in that. "What? no penetration bootz? WHYY??" Because Orianna is an utility mage and the sooner the utility tools on your kit are up, the better. If you want a full burst mage with some utility pick Brand (YES THERE IS ACTUALLY A REASON TO PICK CERTAIN CHAMPIONS BASED ON YOUR CURRENT NEEDS, YOU DON'T NEED TO "MAIN" ONE SINGLE THING)

On top of everything she maxes Q and uses it to shove the lane, prevent interaction and roam. Because she knows It's bad to look to trade against ANY FUCKING ASSASIN after lv 3

"But muh 45% CDR" you don't need CDR to play a mid mage unless you're going for the CC/Siege bullshit that is Lux. A single combo well executed should be enough to reap souls and shatter bodies.

"but dud that doesnt happuns zed built dem hexdrinkah!!1!" Oh are you telling me he survives your kit because he built AGAINST IT? What a genius idea, guy should be hired as president.

Now

If this same Orianna player were to play against Lux Morgana Malzahar would she build the same thing? If this Orianna was the same drooling icecream licker that complains about Zhonyas she would use her cookie cutter build, feed, get flamed and lose.

But this Orianna is one smart m8. She thinks and chooses a different way to handle it:

item 3028 into item 3070 / item 3010 into item 3116 if Tear, item 3027 if Catalyst, into item 3140, into item 3174

"OMG NO RUSH ATHENE'S?" Athene's provides roughly the same benefits Chalice does, being 1700g more expensive, mediocre AP. It's a bad item to rush. You need mana to make it worth it.

"Omg Rylais? YOU N00V" Health. Health is necesary in this meta where damage flies around. Orianna is an utility mage, every Q will slow targets. Your move.

"QSS? H4H4H NOOO" This m8 is smart. This Orianna knows the champions she is facing are dependant on a debuff system of CC and surpressions to have sucess. This orianna doesn't want to feed, so she counter builds her lane opponent.

She also maxes W first for the most efficient trading, burst when ganks happen and better undertower waveclear because she knows these mages will push her to turret OR try to trade with her. But she can fight back.

This Orianna is smart. This Orianna doesn't feed. This Orianna doesn't cry on the forums about Zed. Be Smart. Be like fucking Orianna.

Orianna ****

13 Comments

Very Hard Engage4 votes

there comes a point where you have to do the math yourself and realize if you build roa/zhonyas first two items, zed still has enough damage from building maw/other item to kill you 1v1 with his combo anyway, making you reliant on your zhonyas active to not die, assuming equal skill level of course both of you land everything.

mages are reliant on poke/harass/ a second rotation to get the job done on a squishy.

AD players arent, they have auto attacks and targeted abilities.

and then you factor in sustain items. mages have none. ad players have as much lifesteal to stay topped off as they need to. go on, build item 3146 or item 3152 see what happens.

you seriously lack the experience if you think roa/zhonyas/qss/rlias are good in all situations for all mages.

they are not counter items, they just make it more difficult for your enemy laner, meanwhile you turn yourself into a utility sponge and not a magic damage dealer, making your team reliant on damage from someone other than the mid laner to end a team fight

if you want to believe "well you have nearly as much AP" this is true, but you've just crippled your DPS output over a prolonged fight and cut the number of casts you can put out for the team which can be extremely harmful when playing someone like veigar, morgana, lux when you dont have your utility abilities available for your team. or you miss them once and you end up contributing nothing at all.

the best training tool is for you to play a mage yourself, against a skilled AD player, build what works. every skilled player will tell you TANK ITEMS HERE rushed, are great for not dieing, absolutley 100% true. you dont die. but at the same time your team has to compensate and play differently to get the win, you dont get that.

where the goal is to starve them out, give them nothing, and outscale them by preventing their snowball gross lead, then they become the ones who contribute very little and you end up winning a 4.5 (you arent nearly as useful as you could be) vs their 4/5 (their mid is useless at certain points or in a team fight.)

Ralanr2 votes

I just wish we had more variety in MR items.

EmEx2 votes

um no one rushes an Athene's against an ad laner, not even bronzies do that.

Spicy Rice1 votes

You would be surprised. Also i sonetimes do it on velkoz and veig because the mana font passive is better than the flat regen given from morello

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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You would be surprised. Also i sonetimes do it on velkoz and veig because the mana font passive is better than the flat regen given from morello

for veigar specifically* his passive increases your mana regen stat, it does not restore mana itself. so basically when veigar is oom, he adds an extra 150% of his mana regen to whatever he has.

basically if he had 2 per 5 base. it turns into 5 per 5. when he is OOM.

if he has a tear. and had 2 base + the 7 it used to give. he has 9 per 5. that turns into 22.5mana per 5 when oom.

so basically he needs some form of mana regen to make his passive work. otherwise his passive is quite weak.

if he builds something like morello, grail, and archangel staff. he would struggle to use all his mana because his passive would literally put him up to 100+ mana per 5. whereas someone like anivia or orianna could actually burn through all of that.

Titanium701 votes

I saw an Ahri rush thormails against my AP-Varus back than in Season 3 - I was gold! x'D Some people have really akward build decisions, not matter which league they're in. =P

L Psy Kongroo2 votes

Except Seeker's into Catalyst gives you absolutely no damage, meaning even if you do manage to survive an assassin's burst, you won't be killing them either (because Hexdrinker shield, and because you have no damage items). You also lose out on waveclear, meaning if you do survive their all-in, you'll be forced to back and they will take your tower because you couldn't clear the wave fast enough. Meanwhile, Zed has free AOE waveclear, amazing roams, and a very safe trading pattern, safer than almost every mage in the game.

Nahui1 votes

I have one fucking issue with this whole thing. One big fucking issue.

I can only like this once. Congratulations, I don't care what rank you are. you're already better than anyone on the boards bitching, especially the ones that need to rush mana regen items or suffer an aneurysm. Stay good bro![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BadmoonBC1 votes

It's not so much ap mages as it is ap assassins, in my Opinion, at least.

NeoBrawler1 votes

Playing anything but safe is suicide. Might as well rush zz and call it a day at this point.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Zz donger

Vekkna1 votes

So I had a fun lane against Zed last night. I built item 3020 item 3110 item 3151 item 3027 item 3191 with a level, gold, and kill advantage.

...still died to a single Zed combo executed from start to finish while tanking turret shots.

I clearly failed to counterbuild because I'm an idiot scrub. 800 bonus hp and ~200 armor is too cookie-cutter to survive Zed. Totally my fault.

Sasogwa1 votes

Currently it's more like get item 3027 item 3001 are op, item 3165 is average and the rest is garbage, deal with it.

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