An Idea to Fix Fizz

The Yetii Rider··2 votes·1,278 views

I find Fizz to be frustrating, as do many many people that do not play him. However, for those who do, I can definitely understand the appeal. He's slippery, he's bursty, and he's got that sweet high satisfaction moment when a Jinx rocket is coming for you and you lol nope out of the way to let it crash into your 10% health team mate right behind you.

I think the MAIN cause of Fizz's frustration is not actually his kit, but rather his itemization. Let's take a look here:

Common Fizz complaints include -

"He can go untargetable twice in one fight!" - Actually, he can only do this once. Zhonya's Hourglass DOES seem to give him a lot of free abuse to his E though, since you don't need to save it as a panic button.

"His E is on such a low cooldown!"

  • Not true. The only reason Fizz's E is up so often is his easy access to 40/45% CDR.

"He gets one item and then his Q chunks me for half my health!" - This one was actually SO BAD that Riot had to nerf Lich Bane and buff Fizz in compensation because Fizz literally had a 100% Lich Bane build.

So let's not nerf Fizz's kit. Let's fix all the annoying problems with his items.

  1. Change all of Fizz's ratios to bonus AD ratios. This will remove Fizz's easy access to annoying itemization like Lich Bane and Zhonya's Hourglass without punishing his kit for them.

  2. Leave the damage on his abilities as magic damage, don't change it to physical. This will allow Fizz to deal a large amount of mixed damage by building AD while also keeping him from falling into the trap of armor pen being useless that all other AD assassins are currently in. Additionally it makes Black Cleaver largely useless on him, limiting his access to CDR.

  3. Adjust all of his mana costs. As an AD champion, his mana costs should be lower to match the new items available to him.

  4. Add a new defensive mechanic to synergize with his kit. In addition to 20% bonus magic damage against anyone hit by Chum the Waters, have an additional debuff called "Feeding Frenzy" stick on anyone damaged by the shark. When Fizz attacks someone with the Feeding Frenzy debuff, he calculates life steal before defenses are taken into account, thus making Death's Dance a good buy on him despite having no armor pen.

I think this would be a good direction to take Fizz in, and the Nightfall passive on the new Assassin's Dagger would pair perfectly with Seastone Trident.

22 Comments

Ralanr3 votes

You want him to deal magic damage by building AD?

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to not know what the damage type of an ability in in the middle of a game? I'll give you a hint: DrMundo rarely uses his AP scalings over his health scalings.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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You want him to deal magic damage by building AD?

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to not know what the damage type of an ability in in the middle of a game? I'll give you a hint: DrMundo rarely uses his AP scalings over his health scalings.

That's what death recaps are for, and back when we had tank Fizz with Devourer/BoRK people still knew to build MR against him.

Ralanr1 votes

Cept people would rather not need to die to learn the proper damage scalings. And isn't the death recap is bugged?

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Cept people would rather not need to die to learn the proper damage scalings. And isn't the death recap is bugged?

The people who would be dying to Fizz are the ones who wouldn't be building against him at all (Marksmen, Mages, supports). Tanks will be building both armor and MR anyway and without his huge Lich Bane power spike Fizz won't be able to kill them unless he lands a shark.

Fisherman Fízz1 votes

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You want him to deal magic damage by building AD?

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to not know what the damage type of an ability in in the middle of a game?

I agree, that was one of the issues with tank AD Fizz, you had to build both MR and Armor.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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I agree, that was one of the issues with tank AD Fizz, you had to build both MR and Armor.

This build would be assassin, not tank. Tanks will always be strong against Fizz because % missing health damage is bad against champions with high resistances.

Also MR has been buffed across the board since tank Fizz, so itemizing against mixed damage is much easier now than then.

Fızz2 votes

@fisherman fizz @tundra fizz @whatThekappa where are you?

Fisherman Fízz2 votes

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@fisherman fizz @tundra fizz @whatThekappa where are you?

I'm here Fizz

Fızz1 votes

XD

Tundra Fizz3 votes

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@fisherman fizz @tundra fizz @whatThekappa where are you?

Hmm something's fishy Fizz

Anyways, while I'm here I guess I'll give my input on champion balance.

WARNING: WALL OF TEXT!


To be blunt, threads made about balance are literally pointless on Riot's boards.

First of all people who go on the Boards make up an extremely small percentage of League players, less than 0.01%. Second, the only people who should be talking about balance are those who have a very firm grasp on the game itself. They also need to look at everything from a holistic point of view. A vast majority of the players here don't do that, and that's because they are simply inexperienced.

However, just because somebody is a higher elo does not qualify them to make rational decisions about balance, since there are plenty of people who have gotten to Diamond because of their insane mechanics.

This board used to be called Gameplay & Balance not too long ago, but Riot recently removed the "Balance" part of the name in an attempt to discourage people from making balance threads due to the fact of how unproductive they are.

Now because I know all this, threads complaining about whatever champions I like in Gameplay don't worry me at all.

You could have ten threads a day complaining about Fizz, but unless something is actually fundamentally broken about said champion Riot won't do anything.

What's hilarious to me is that people will make unbelievable claims, saying things like "Riot you must double the cooldown on Fizz's E and make it unaffected by cdr!" This hurts the qq'ers because they are making an irrational point without any logic to back up their reasoning. Thus it makes Riot lose even more faith in their playerbase to make logical sense.

In fact, Riot has already lost all faith in their playerbase which is why they removed "Balance" from "Gameplay and Balance" as I said earlier.


I feel like I should just copy/paste the above in every single qq thread I see from now on. Inexperienced players will of course downvote this because they don't want to give logical reasoning. Instead they want whatever champion that just stomped them to get immediate nerfs.

Pasta Help Desk2 votes

The only problem I have with Fizz and what most people have with Fizz is the dang Troll Poll. Him becoming completely untargetable during this is just annoying and quite stupid. The champ mid-late game pretty much has a free zhonya every 5 seconds and upon coming out of zhonyas where fizz lands he hurts with a huge nuke.

Fizz is probably my least fun champion to play against. Not saying I can't but I just don't enjoying playing against or with a fizz I will if I have to though but if I'm the one in charge of picks/bans I all was ban fizz.

legionnaire991 votes

wow this is a good idea item 3153 item 3139 item 3074 item 3025 item 3022item 3071 i feel black cleave on and hit effcts will be good on him go up with you Q turn on your E then auto then leave his he will not be much of an assassin more of a fighter

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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wow this is a good idea item 3153 item 3139 item 3074 item 3025 item 3022item 3071 i feel black cleave on and hit effcts will be good on him go up with you Q turn on your E then auto then leave his he will not be much of an assassin more of a fighter

I think the build is likely to be Death's Dance, Assassin Dagger, IBG, BoRK, Boots and Void Staff (Black Cleaver is useless because you aren't dealing physical, and you need Void for the pen).

He will still be able to burst squishies down, just not as quickly and not as often.

legionnaire991 votes

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I think the build is likely to be Death's Dance, Assassin Dagger, IBG, BoRK, Boots and Void Staff (Black Cleaver is useless because you aren't dealing physical, and you need Void for the pen).

He will still be able to burst squishies down, just not as quickly and not as often.

i know but with frozen you will be autoing more with is an auto and your Q dose auto attack on hit effcts so it will use black clves even if it magic it will so rev for it's passive

Crossette1 votes

this

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

hm so you actually want to double his power? sounds fun

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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hm so you actually want to double his power? sounds fun

It's fine if the champion himself is stronger (assassins need to be strong in an ADC meta like the one Riot is trying to create).

These changes are aimed at lowering his frustration and making him easier to kill after he's done his job assassinating someone.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

you only thought about whats frustrating about him right now but you didnt think about what he would do then.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

[{quoted}](name=AyRe CoNteMpT,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BHYkPNFF,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-01-06T15:06:35.968+0000)

you only thought about whats frustrating about him right now but you didnt think about what he would do then.

Based on the Mordekaiser update, I assume that's standard business practice at Riot.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

congratulations, you now got the same level of respect from me as rito : )

Fisherman Fízz1 votes

If they were to rework Fizz id change his E since It's what I see most people complain about him, so instead of being untargetable, he gets damage reduction like 50% or so make ir less annoying. Fizz

The Yetii Rider1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fisherman Fízz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BHYkPNFF,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-06T14:36:44.483+0000)

If they were to rework Fizz id change his E since It's what I see most people complain about him, so instead of being untargetable, he gets damage reduction like 50% or so make ir less annoying. Fizz

I don't think the ability itself would be nearly as annoying if there was no Zhonya's to chain it to and if the cooldown wasn't so hard for Riot to balance.

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