Junglers, could you give me some advice?

4NoxiousHours·Nov 22, 2017·2 votes·495 views

I suck at CS'ing and I have improved but laning isn't my style. I play mostly support and secondary as jungler. I want to jungle more often but I feel like it gives so much pressure due to backlash from my teammates.

Here are my issues:

When ALL 3 lanes are losing, it's hard for me to choose which lanes to gank more importantly.
The excessive amount of "Please gank my lane" from all 3 laners at the same time.
The moment when you waste your flash to gank a lane and the enemy flashes so they escaped, should I come back to gank or what?
When you ganked top but need to farm to catch up leveling but your mid laner/Bot laner are begging for help quickly so you're behind in CS/level against the enemy jungler.
Enemy champions with insane mobility that makes it hard to gank etc is it worth ganking them?

7 Comments

WoodakoodashoodaNov 22, 20173 votes

You need to get out of the support mindset.

The jungler ain't the team's bitch. As a jungle, you do what you feel is right and your team has to sit in their own lanes and just suck it up.

You're the cook up in this kitchen when you jungle and the laners are the kids waiting to be fed. You'll occasionally get some whiny snot-nosed brat what starts banging on the table demanding that dinner be served before you're ready to serve it, but you got to be the adult in the situation. Let them know that if they don't shut the hell up that they'll just end up going hungry while the rest of the family eats.

AirKingNeoNov 22, 20171 votes

Jungle is basically top lane's support. You leave them 2v1 and it's basically GG.

TehNACHONov 22, 20171 votes

When ALL 3 lanes are losing, it's hard for me to choose which lanes to gank more importantly.

This is a really difficult and highly contextual question to be asking. Generally speaking, save the guy who has the best chance of carrying the game (Hyper-Carries, huge waveclear that can stall the game, etc.) Also analyze why everyone's losing. If everyone is just plainly less skilled there's not that much you can do to be completely honest, but if it's a matter of the enemy Jungler ganking a lot for example, suddenly Counter Jungling or Counter Ganking options open up if you can track the enemy Jungler.

The excessive amount of "Please gank my lane" from all 3 laners at the same time.

Just mute everybody. At that point people aren't going to be nice or helpful to you.

The moment when you waste your flash to gank a lane and the enemy flashes so they escaped, should I come back to gank or what?

Yes

When you ganked top but need to farm to catch up leveling but your mid laner/Bot laner are begging for help quickly so you're behind in CS/level against the enemy jungler.

So this is a bigger issue in Solo Q but generally speaking, especially if you play Junglers with high Utility or are known for early game snowballing, CS/Level leads in the Jungle isn't actually as important as it is for laners. Your job as the Jungler is to control the pace of the early game. It's not your job, typically, to hypercarry Mid to Late game. Between getting Raptors or a good opportunity to snowball your laners, snowball your laners. This does not mean drop everything and bend over for your laners, especially if your laners aren't that good to gank or skilled players as a whole. What this means is that if you see an opportunity, take the initiative to gank lanes instead of just farming for the sake of farming.

Enemy champions with insane mobility that makes it hard to gank, is it worth ganking them?

Yeah, if you know how to. Again contextual.

You seem new to Jungling. Get a lot more repetition in and then reevaluate yourself after every game. Some of these answers are just a matter of experience and context.

zenkai4511Nov 22, 20171 votes

I'm not amazing so take everything I say with a grain of salt but i'll address each of your issues 1 at a time.

If all 3 lanes are losing, I'd probably try and help out bot lane, if the adc can get items then they can help make a comeback, but you have to be careful not to give up more kills because the enemy is stronger. If every lane is to far gone, then in general it's a rap unless the champ your playing can win the game by yourself (which there aren't many in the jungle, to me anyway)
This is gonna happen from time to time, unfortunately some lanes are just gonna have to get over it and play passive. Gank the lane that has the most opportunity (if and enemy top lane is really pushed up for example) or the lane that has the most to gain ( if your mid is Yasuo, if you get him fed, than it'll help you win game.) If they start flaming you because they feel your aren't helping them enough, just mute.
If you flash to gank a lane, and you make them flash, that's a net gain for the laner(s) because now they have an advantage because they can initiate a fight on them without the fear of them flashing away. You can come back, just don't right away, let the enemy come back into lane and feel that they are safe, then you can gank again. ( A lot of the time when people flash they tend to back from what I've seen so generally there isn't much to gank).
You want to stay relevant, if you're all the way top and bot lane needs help by the time you get there, your bot or their bot may be dead, so it's gamble, if you're already behind the jungler I wouldn't risk going bot and I would just take any camps I had up. I would however go bot if there are like 3-5 enemies bot, because you don't want them to just get free turrets.
Try to get them to bait there mobility, Fizz for example, if you can bait his E then his escape is gone. Now champs like Talon, Vayne, Yasuo, these guys have shorter cooldowns ( or none in Yasuo's case) on their mobility, so wait until they're pushed up. Yasuo is gonna be tough to gank because he can fight a 2v1 pretty easily, so I wouldn't risk going in on him unless you know you and your mid/top can kill him/CC him enough.

As a jungler your team can sometimes feel the need to blame you for them losing lane, don't sweat it, just keep playing your game and don't get toxic, because it doesn't help anything. And after a game, watch your replays, see where you went wrong, where you went right, look at some pro junglers see what they do.

Hope this helps you out a little bit, what junglers have you been playing? And do you like any of the junglers you've been playing?

( Lastly choosing when to gank is very champ dependent, Diana has a struggle trying to gank pre 6 because she has no mobility, while Shaco on the other hand can gank at level 2-3, so watch for that.)

PhearBunnyNov 22, 20171 votes

There will be games where all your lanes are losing, and cant be helped, atleast cant safely be helped. When this happens, just play off objectives and farm.

You see them pushing onto one of your towers? Reinforce it with your presence. Contest drags if possible. Farm farm farm, ward ward ward. Losing all lanes, is recoverable if everyone is losing gracefully and staying relevant gold income wise.

HexshotNov 22, 20171 votes

Hi, I might not be the best jungler but I can give you some advice/solutions for you as a jungler

When ALL 3 lanes are losing, it's hard for me to choose which lanes to gank more importantly

try to gank/camp the most rewarding lane or the champion that is super useful when ahead

The excessive amount of "Please gank my lane" from all 3 laners at the same time

not even the best jungler can gank the 3 lanes successfully just don't listen to them and try to avoid this from the start but that doesn't mean stopping you from cs'ing as a jungler

The moment when you waste your flash to gank a lane and the enemy flashes so they escaped, should I come back to gank or what?

try to gank a lane when you think its gonna work or at least get something good rather than wasting time, yes you can come back before his flash or he got any escape up again to get a free pick but keep an eye on his jungler as you might get counter-ganked

When you ganked top but need to farm to catch up leveling but your mid laner/Bot laner are begging for help quickly so you're behind in CS/level against the enemy jungler

if you are playing something tanky/other that doesn't really need to be ahead to be useful you can gank someone rather than farming, you good and like I said to focus on the most rewarding gank and sometimes you don't really need to gank to make a lane win simply just tell your laner to play safe/without risks

Enemy champions with insane mobility that makes it hard to gank etc is it worth ganking them?

you can gank them if they got no escapes or if there are no risks or if you can even get a sums so you can make it easier next time you dont need always to gank a hard matchup just let your laner play without risks

1 last advice as a jungler just counter-ganking and map awareness Good luck >:)

4NoxiousHoursNov 22, 20171 votes

Thank you to those who contributed their time to respond to my request, I've read them and got a good idea out of it.