Zac op without wards

JhomasTefferson··3 votes·384 views

Since green wards have been removed from the game, i find it impossible to ward properly to defend against ganks from zac. Please either nerf his slingshot range or bring green wards back.

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archerno12 votes

item 2049 item 3711

JhomasTefferson3 votes

So as a top laner i have to build sightstone?

archerno12 votes

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So as a top laner i have to build sightstone?

U dont have to, but u can if vision is problem. Its only 800g and its highly cost efficient. Sightstone is team item, not support item.

JhomasTefferson2 votes

Why can't they just bring back 60g green wards?

archerno11 votes

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Why can't they just bring back 60g green wards?

Because 5 people putting 3 wards each around map is 15 wards. It would be boring

JhomasTefferson1 votes

Vision is good. Vision helps you make smarter plays, and this means that it comes at a cost. How is it boring?

Darkdemon6531 votes

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Why can't they just bring back 60g green wards?

You now get them for free.

Though I do agree that all of the ward changes should be reverted. Also, they were 75g.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

No, i mean like, the ones you buy. Also im colorblind so i might be confusing them, i though the totem was yellow and that the wards you bought were green. Either way, i want the ones you buy back, as they don't give you enough free ones.

And a return to pinks would be nice too. There's no way to play around stealth like shaco's and vaynes anymore.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

item 2055 Costs as much as green wards used to.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

can only have one. you could have 3 green wards/ yellow trinkets

Sp33d Zer01 votes

And if you put it in a good spot, it can act as a way of spotting 3+ routes for a jungler to come from.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

Yes "a" jungler. But, not the jungler i made this post about, zac, since he can engage from further away outside of vision.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Let's say I put a pink ward in the enemy jungle at the bush between the krugs, red, and base. If Zac, or any jungler goes to take his krugs, or his red, I will 1: Know he is on that side of the map and be able to play accordingly, not pushing up and making myself vulnerable. 2: Know the three potential spots I am vulnerable to ganks from, Tribrush, Lane, River.

I can then back off and put a sight ward in MY tribrush next to my tower right next to my blue buff, and have every possible gank path for Zac covered if I think they may attempt a dive.

Subject 52 votes

Are people arguing against green wards?

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Wow. Uh. I mean, Zac isn't OP. He lacks damage, but has so much CC to make up for it. It's like- what tanks should be, lacking damage but the CC to make up for it. But Zacs ganking potential is just insane, there is no reason to limit vision- leaving lane and going into the enemy jungle to place a ward- if you aren't a safe jungler with a warding jungle item (lol I think I'm the only POS that takes the warding jungle item all the time.) then you're likely going to die. Most junglers will kill you if they find you, and the enemy laners if they do have a brain- will follow you and ping for assistance. It would be cool to see a support buff that enables them to run up against the river wall and put down a ward in the enemy bush at the bot tower for example. Enabling people to purchase wards again will offer more smart and not so spontaneous and brain dead game play. (AKA - Zac hops in an entire lane away "I'm here now. React.")

Good Zacs will take lens, too! Why not offer a multitude of wards that offer different capabilities- but at the cost of additional gold? People would want to buy more wards if that were the case!

Xidphel1 votes

Warding totems or farsight alterations.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

He can gank from too many angles to cover them all. Even if you have a red in tribush and a yellow and river(or red in river yellow in tri), he can still come over a wall from an odd direction. If you had a 3rd ward to put down, that would help. Bring back 60g greens

Xidphel1 votes

How will green solve what the other ones can't?

JhomasTefferson1 votes

thats an idiotic question.

It helps because vision. I don't understand how to make that simpler. You can't ward enough with yellow trinket and red ward. You need another? Thats about as simple as i can put it.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Use better warding. High Elo players seem to have no trouble getting deep vision which is way better than the shallow vision laners typically put down in river/tri.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

How to get deep vision without getting collapsed on?

Xidphel1 votes

Which is something the 2 types+pink provide.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Get deep vision on his top side jungle so you can see if he enters it. Then, both you and your mid can know he is looking for a gank.

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