Can we have Kayle tuned down a little?

BLIGHTBRINGER·Oct 17, 2019·1 votes·1,204 views

She's now really hard to lane against in a Melee vs Ranged matchup.

I don't care about most of the buffs she received except for just one, the buff to her Passive Movement Speed which gives her Bonus Movement Speed in all directions (whereas before she only had it work when she's moving towards enemies), allowing her to kite too easily against Melee Champions.

Can we revert this one buff or at least make it scale based on level? She already has a 52%+ WR in Plat and Above.

7 Comments

I am Ah PukuhOct 18, 20191 votes

Hard cc wrecks her, especially if you and jungle both have hard cc. You have to really learn how to abuse her lane patterns and early range, I'd try finding a few guides or watching a few videos on it. If you don't abuse those windows and win trades, yeah she's absolutely ridiculous and will scale very easily.

That aside, I do think she was in a healthier place when she was practically forced to buy an early tear. She didn't see any pro play, and didn't see much high elo play due to people abusing her early weak game, but that's better than her currently 77.4% P/B rate at Worlds while winning 2/3 of her games. Her flex potential is ridiculous.

ZephyrDrakeOct 18, 20191 votes

You do know that she is melee champion for most of the game right? There is no "ranged vs melee" matchup since by the time she becomes ranged you either would have smashed her face in, be close to it or it would be irrelevant since you would rather be moving around the map if you cannot deal with her after that point.

BLIGHTBRINGEROct 18, 20191 votes

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You do know that she is melee champion for most of the game right? There is no "ranged vs melee" matchup since by the time she becomes ranged you either would have smashed her face in, be close to it or it would be irrelevant since you would rather be moving around the map if you cannot deal with her after that point.

You mean until level 6? That's not most game.

ZephyrDrakeOct 18, 20191 votes

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You mean until level 6? That's not most game.

It is when most champions can utter destroy her in that time frame and even after that she barely does anything until lvl 11. If you are losing to a kayle before lvl 11 that's on you

BLIGHTBRINGEROct 18, 20191 votes

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It is when most champions can utter destroy her in that time frame and even after that she barely does anything until lvl 11. If you are losing to a kayle before lvl 11 that's on you

It's not that I am loosing to her it's just that I can't even reach her. Her Passive Movement Speed in all directions + her 26 - 50% Slow on her Q (which happens to be the first ability she maxes so good luck catching, fighting or even trying to trade with her).

If the high Winrate in all elos of more than 52%, or that the Pros that are crushing most games with her in Mid or Bot Lane now (which were considered to be the two most riskiest lanes for her in the past) or even the fact that she's being played in LCS again isn't saying that she's too strong you're just straight up being delusional.

Have a look at this...

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/lcs/lcs-replays/kayle https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/kayle

SithesisLordOct 18, 20191 votes

Yeah, let's all just forget that her pro play and SoloQ presence are being carried entirely by Klepto and the Inspiration tree giving her a fuck ton of gold for being uninteractive, thus making denying her CS a pointless effort.

Look at her winrate with other rune combinations, then tell me she's still a problem.

ZephyrDrakeOct 18, 20191 votes

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It's not that I am loosing to her it's just that I can't even reach her. Her Passive Movement Speed in all directions + her 26 - 50% Slow on her Q (which happens to be the first ability she maxes so good luck catching, fighting or even trying to trade with her).

If the high Winrate in all elos of more than 52%, or that the Pros that are crushing most games with her in Mid or Bot Lane now (which were considered to be the two most riskiest lanes for her in the past) or even the fact that she's being played in LCS again isn't saying that she's too strong you're just straight up being delusional.

Have a look at this...

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/lcs/lcs-replays/kayle https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/kayle

What the pros play mean absolutely nothing to SoloQ in the vast majority of cases. They are still picking things like Azir and Yummi even though they are horrible in SoloQ. Pro players know how to play safe, actually help each other and cover champion weaknesses way more than most SoloQ players, regardless of rank. Pro players still pick tanks every once in a while so I guess that means tanks are fine right? They also build tons of defensive items so i guess those are also fine right? SoloQ and pro play are so vastly different from each other that there is almost no point in comparing them.