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I say this as someone who really liked Pyke when he first came out

AhmCha·12/16/2018, 9:43:09 PM·77 votes·18,084 views

Getting executed at roughly 50% health late-game and losing off of that because you didn't expect to be executed at 50% health feels hella shit.

EDIT: I've decided to do some math on this just for the hell of it.

Let's take a level 16 Pyke with about 4 items appears to be the most common combination of Pyke items since the changes made tank Pyke borderline trolling. Let's also consider that most Pyke's take double adaptive force for stat shards (+12AD) and the health one which will grant AD because of Pyke's passive, as well as Sudden Impact, granting 7 lethality when casting Death from Below.

At level 16, Pyke's ulti has a base execute of 575 + 80% bonus AD + 1.5 per 1 lethality Also his passive gives him 1 AD per 14 bonus health purchased. Stats from items + runes: Pure AD: 55+55+45+40+12=192*.8=165.6-->166 Lethality: 21+21+7 (Sudden Impact)=49 * 1.5 =49+29.5=78.5-->79 AD from health= 400 (Cleaver) + 81.18 (Stat Shard) = 481.18/14 =34.37-->34 So in total at level 16, Pyke can execute from: 575+166+79+34=854

854 HP give or take some for math errors or item disparities, which would actually have a big impact. So I was being hyperbolic but that is roughly 40% for most non-tank champions, which seems a little excessive. But then again damage in this game has been excessive for the better part of 3 years now so....

49 Comments

Fertsa12/17/2018, 3:54:09 AM31 votes

game-state related problem: if pyke execute has too low a threshold everybody gets instantly blown up before he has time to notice people getting low

Bobloser355512/16/2018, 9:47:06 PM26 votes

yeah just happened to me I had ulti up as Trynda just didnt expect to et executed cause I was around 35% health still...you can guess the end.

Saevum12/17/2018, 5:53:43 AM9 votes

Well, at least this answers what would happen if we make a mini-darius for bot lane who doesn't need to stack anything on its target and also gets free jumps and resets and mini draven gold-like passive.

Dad Darius uncle Draven

Zeromatsu12/17/2018, 9:26:58 AM8 votes

Also: Doesn't dark harvest help lowering the threshhold when using ult?

Ignika D12/17/2018, 8:47:42 AM8 votes

i dont like that champion at all he is allowed on a support budget to be a 1 vs 1 treat pretty much all game

FilDaFunk12/17/2018, 1:34:04 PM5 votes

I think his ult is powerful enough without a refresh, tbh.

Exin012/17/2018, 4:14:11 AM5 votes

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Getting executed at roughly 50% health late-game and losing off of that because you didn't expect to be executed at 50% health feels hella shit.

EDIT: I've decided to do some math on this just for the hell of it.

Let's take a level 16 Pyke with about 4 items appears to be the most common combination of Pyke items since the changes made tank Pyke borderline trolling. Let's also consider that most Pyke's take double adaptive force for stat shards (+12AD) and the health one which will grant AD because of Pyke's passive, as well as Sudden Impact, granting 7 lethality when casting Death from Below.

At level 16, Pyke's ulti has a base execute of 575 + 80% bonus AD + 1.5 per 1 lethality Also his passive gives him 1 AD per 14 bonus health purchased. Stats from items + runes: Pure AD: 55+55+45+40+12=192*.8=165.6-->166 Lethality: 21+21+7 (Sudden Impact)=49 * 1.5 =49+29.5=78.5-->79 AD from health= 400 (Cleaver) + 81.18 (Stat Shard) = 481.18/14 =34.37-->34 So in total at level 16, Pyke can execute from: 575+166+79+34=854

854 HP give or take some for math errors or item disparities, which would actually have a big impact. So I was being hyperbolic but that is roughly 40% for most non-tank champions, which seems a little excessive. But then again damage in this game has been excessive for the better part of 3 years now so....

all this damage on reseting ult with long after reset window and possible aoe if placed well, yeah completely balanced :/

Janakin12/17/2018, 8:51:51 AM5 votes

They will rather buff damage to other 100 champions than nerfing the damage of "a few".

Nea10412/17/2018, 2:59:08 PM4 votes

Better late than never :D

His concept is and has always been awful, sadly. His creator should feel ashamed ("Chasing the possibility of a pentakill on a support is awesome"). And maybe he should be one of those guys who shouldn't work on this game anymore, if we want something better for the future.

Blåbæret12/17/2018, 3:12:34 PM3 votes

What I don't understand is why his ult has a refresh? It's such an overpowered ability and then it needs a reset slapped ontop of this? Lmao.

y0r1ck12/17/2018, 2:59:00 AM3 votes

That really does seem excessive, and I don't even play squishy champs.

PapaGreg2112/17/2018, 2:30:51 PM2 votes

It's even worse when most of your team gets chain executed all at once.

Akali is SO HOT12/17/2018, 9:03:00 AM2 votes

Well then you should take into consideration that he has that strength and play around it.

Handy Sandy 12/17/2018, 1:03:43 PM2 votes

Well any assassin is gonna be executing you at 40% once they have 4 items

YoRHa 2B12/17/2018, 6:03:43 AM2 votes

item 3142 have 18 lethality not 21

BLIGHTBRINGER12/17/2018, 6:23:31 PM1 votes

I really liked Pyke during his release, even got mastery 7 on him but after the amount of changes and reworks I just don't really find myself enioying him, because he isn't really a support anynore when he can do everything himself now.

Power Cosmic12/17/2018, 6:54:46 PM1 votes

Tools and damage do not mix.

LordGeovanni12/17/2018, 11:36:24 PM1 votes

You can see where pike is gonna exicute you from at full hp though it shouldnt be un expectected. But un expected or not its really bs. In my opinion Pyke needs lower base spell base damage with better base spell scaling and lower ult base damage with no compensation there.

LemurMonster12/18/2018, 11:39:17 PM1 votes

I will keep banning this abomination until he is rework or gutted to the ground. The maker should be really ashamed of themselves for making this toxic puke.