I've had it with you mages abusing MY itemization!

Malicious Metal··61 votes·4,250 views

It's Rylais all over again!

I've seen way too many of you pansies utilizing Gunblade as if you're intended to use it. Bloody Ahri, Leblanc and recently beeping Orianna.

Like Rylais these mages have literally NO drawback building Gunblade for a 250 DAMAGE POINT AND CLICK NUKE SPELL! That also slows!

It's Deathfire Grasp All over again and I'm sick of having my itemization nerfed because some classes can't be fucked sticking to their own items.

First Steraks, then Rylais and now Gunblade? Bloody end me, damnit.


But hey, I'm not one to blindly rage and just sling curses like I'm a Kled main.

No, I propose some changes to the item that will hit these abuse cases square in the face.

REWORK THE BLOODY ACTIVE

I thought Riot hated "free" damage and this item just adds a huge chunk on top of an already damage heavy kit. Honestly, in my opinion we might as well remove the damage portion and make it a purely utility based spell that benefits those champions who should be building it.

And while we're at it we might just LOWER the AP to 60 and bump up the AD by 10-20 while we're at it.

I'm sorry but It flat out SUCKS having your champs' items nerfed because of other classes.

When was the last time JUGGERNAUTS abused an item?

//rant

164 Comments

xJLx MCHammer46 votes

It's what happens when mages can't burst champions down no more They tend to look for ways to do so That 250 helps

Apocalypsic4 votes

[{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AudNdWjM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-20T22:12:20.145+0000)

It's what happens when mages can't burst champions down no more They tend to look for ways to do so That 250 helps

"mages can't burst champions down" You're joking right?

xJLx MCHammer27 votes

[{quoted}](name=Exiled Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AudNdWjM,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-20T22:16:35.123+0000)

"mages can't burst champions down" You're joking right?

Not like they used to. Total AP from items and scaling AP from abilities has been nerfed across the board.

So yeah, some champions who used to be able to burst can't do it as efficiently anymore

JustARivenMain4 votes

[{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AudNdWjM,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-20T22:43:42.749+0000)

Not like they used to. Total AP from items and scaling AP from abilities has been nerfed across the board.

So yeah, some champions who used to be able to burst can't do it as efficiently anymore

Damage has gone UP since around end season 3-4 with Thunderlords and loads of damage masteries mate, if you're talking about not as hard since last season you'd be right though, they lowered the % damage gained from masteries alone with the added of nerfing ap items, release thunderlords wasn't fun. I'm fine with damage steering more towards the good ol' days of Syndras and Zeds having to outplay to get kills on eachother, not just slam the keyboard for a kill.

Mira Arya Enthe17 votes

Actually total AP has gone down. DFG was removed. And scalings on many champions were nerfed. Thunderlords does not make up for that.

Jesus is Savior23 votes

Can you stop acting all high and mighty like this is YOUR item and it should function how YOU want it to?

Sincerely, a former Evelynn main who actually has hybrid scaling and loves the active burst.

Erractic Eick9 votes

Mordekaiser has hybrid scaling, though, too.

Sincerely, a player who is bad at game mechanics so he intensely researches every champion and their abilities to compensate.

Jesus is Savior8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Erractic Eick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AudNdWjM,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2017-04-21T03:44:05.201+0000)

Mordekaiser has hybrid scaling, though, too.

Sincerely, a player who is bad at game mechanics so he intensely researches every champion and their abilities to compensate.

Yeah, so Mordekaiser can use the item how it is or screw off.

He doesn't need it reworked into something specifically for him, when all of us already fucking love it how it is.

Evelynn Akali Jax

Arguably Fizz too.

Salron16 votes

"I-it's Rylais all over again!!" TIL Rylais isnt a mage item for mages You poor thing

Oelyk7 votes

TBH, Rylais was a mage item so overused(like frost queens) by mages it was kinda ruining the whole point of the item being for off tank mages as another CC option, but it was being even used by AP assassins and others, the same rule applies here, a hybrid item made to do damage to hybrid champions, but it's being built by non-hybrids.

TheJakeinator11 votes

Darius item 3071

ME UNGA ME SMASH2 votes

I don't get it

Almighty11 votes

Mages are not "abusing" "your" item.

They are using it.

People who play mages have figured out that the item is viable and it works on the mage they're playing. So they will build it. Because that's how alot of people play this game. They look up Youtube or Twitch for what's currently labled "broken" and use it to it's full capacity so they cab grind a little bit of LP. Nothing new under the sun.

Also, Rylais was always a mage item. It's a damn scepter. A.K.A. A trademark mage item.

Case closed.

P.S. Props to you for using the word "bloody" instead of "f*cking".

Almighty.

Catastrop10 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AudNdWjM,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-04-20T22:10:45.270+0000)

Like Rylais these mages have literally NO drawback building Gunblade for a 250 DAMAGE POINT AND CLICK NUKE SPELL! That also slows!

Mate, not only do the mages building this go with a crappy ass build path, they also forgo CDR and Mana. That is hardly "NO drawback."

Not saying Gunblade isn't bs on these champions, but come on.

Salron9 votes

It's almost like a 250 damage targetted nuke that slows on a 40s CD isn't balanced I'm absolutely shocked.

Divewing8 votes

Kinda what happens when there is 0 variance in itemisation choice for an entire class.

AD's have a wealth of options to suit ADCs (BOTH CASTERS AND AA), Assassins, Divers.

Meanwhile every AP champion with exception to niche picks (Azir Kayle Teemo [who is having more success with AD]) has: Can you build tear? if no, build morellos. Done that? Great, build Needlessly Large Rod items and Void Staff.

This shit will continue, with Mages simply moving down the list, until the AP itemisation is given a complete overhaul, which lost the last of its flexibility when DFG was removed, and has been on a steady descent into a total clusterfuck ever since.

Arsenic Sulfur5 votes

LOST it's flexibility with DFG's removal? YOU KNOW HOW OPPRESSIVE THE THING WAS?! If you couldn't use it well you weren't viable end of story. The thing caused a wave of assassin mids... During a time where Talon still had his silence. It was oppressive and needed to go.

AFilthyCaitMain7 votes

Sorry if this sounds toxic, but i have to point out,

First it was ADCs, now its Mages?

50000000000000001 votes

ADCs abused gunblade?

YoungSirJ0ey5 votes

No, ADCs abused Sterak's.

50000000000000004 votes

Among many other things

Not xPeke7 votes

Yeah, sure let's lower total AP from items a bit more. Great idea! Not like AP has slowly been reducing off items already right? Not like AD items are much better right?

And you really wonder why some mages are opting to go for gunblade for more burst? Get rid of more AP why don't you? lets go. Awesome!! /S

Also, Gunblade is an item primarily for AP users, why on earth would you LOWER the AP and buff the AD? Only because you think LB won't build it then? Because that worked alright with the numerous item 3071 changes? Seems to me ADCs still use it.

Also Gunblade is good, but there is a VERY SMALL margin of difference in winrate on LB players building it or not. It is NOT breaking the champion. Why exactly do you think it's going to be nerfed?

Big Lincoln6 votes

Fuck mages, am I right

TyrekGoldenspear33 votes

Ahri

lenny face

Mecha MaIphite7 votes

I put on my robe and wizard hat

Big Lincoln5 votes

the worst waifu in league tbh

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Who's your best waifu then?

Big Lincoln14 votes

Sejuani is my waifu because I like muscles and she's THICC

but objectively speaking it would probably be Karma

Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 votes

i thinking u were more into Illaoi [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Big Lincoln10 votes

Illaoi is a hedonist slut in lore, not a good waifu but fun to play

Troll for Trump6 votes

uwot

Knoyle2 votes

Syndra is bae

RekSai is ultra bae

Best princess EU5 votes

there is nothing wrong with mages

you just got outplayed

Big Lincoln2 votes

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Best princess EU4 votes

no, mages are the best thing that happened in mankind

they're just perfect when you play them, and when you play against them

Big Lincoln10 votes

I met a mage main IRL once and I fucking ate his stupid little wizard hat in front of his mom

Velzard of Koz6 votes

I know this isn't right place to bring it out but...

How exactly is Gunblade Juggernaut item and not being abused by being used by Juggernaut?

And how exactly let's just randomly say Vel'Koz main as mage main is to blame for three champions, two of which are technically Assasins, abusing the item?

Like two hyper-mobile cancers that are partially assasins abuse an item, one mage starts abusing the item and suddenly all mages are to blame for that?

So there's probably like 5 Mages in the game, I see, and the majority of them are abusing the item now.

Meanwhile Divers might combine Juggernaut, Assasin and Tank itemization and that gets unnoticed (and yes I'll note that Divers don't have much of their own tools so they are kind of left to only abuse...).

Dominick Destine5 votes

Gunblade is more expensive than Protobelt and lacks the CDR/health/mobility so it is a valid trade-off.

Don't nerf Gunblade.

Lady Hammerlock4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AudNdWjM,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-04-20T22:12:57.672+0000)

Gunblade is more expensive than Protobelt and lacks the CDR/health/mobility so it is a valid trade-off.

Don't nerf Gunblade.

That gives you a RELIABLE 250 magic damage nuke(which in actuality isn't even 250 because the item scales with it's own stats) which slows, sustain in form of Hybrid Vamp, 40 AD and 80 AP, also making it the hex tech item with the most AP

Mind you Gunblade is ludicrously efficient to buy no matter how expensive it is because Hybrid Vamp is quite the pricy stat

Sexy Jack Rabbit7 votes

magic damage nuke? It's 250 damage zap that is reduced by resistances.

It's not exactly the a DFG

Poske5 votes

Arent you a hypocrite

You do realise Mordekaiser is abusing items from way more classes then ahri le bl and orianna are

Malicious Metal15 votes

Name me ONE item he's abusing that's not on his recommended item list and is suited to his type of champion.

Supreme Senpai6916 votes

item 2055

Must nerf

Glory ln Death3 votes

But Morde's rework was intended to make him a adc bot lane carry, and we all know they never actually use wards! I won't believe Morde even purchases control wards until I see it for myself!

FilDaFunk4 votes

When you say "MY itemisation", who are you? Compared to AD itemisation, Mages' itemisation seems a bit sucky. Gunblade is the only healing item mages can get, so it's nice to see some use there.

Troll for Trump3 votes

I've had it with you ADCS abusing the itemization

item 3156 item 3053 item 3814 item 3142 item 3147 item 3071 item 3022 item 1419 item 3025

Cloud2731 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AudNdWjM,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-04-20T22:10:45.270+0000)

It's Rylais all over again!

I've seen way too many of you pansies utilizing Gunblade as if you're intended to use it. Bloody Ahri, Leblanc and recently beeping Orianna.

Like Rylais these mages have literally NO drawback building Gunblade for a 250 DAMAGE POINT AND CLICK NUKE SPELL! That also slows!

It's Deathfire Grasp All over again and I'm sick of having my itemization nerfed because some classes can't be fucked sticking to their own items.

First Steraks, then Rylais and now Gunblade? Bloody end me, damnit.


But hey, I'm not one to blindly rage and just sling curses like I'm a Kled main.

No, I propose some changes to the item that will hit these abuse cases square in the face.

REWORK THE BLOODY ACTIVE

I thought Riot hated "free" damage and this item just adds a huge chunk on top of an already damage heavy kit. Honestly, in my opinion we might as well remove the damage portion and make it a purely utility based spell that benefits those champions who should be building it.

And while we're at it we might just LOWER the AP to 60 and bump up the AD by 10-20 while we're at it.

I'm sorry but It flat out SUCKS having your champs' items nerfed because of other classes.

When was the last time JUGGERNAUTS abused an item?

//rant

First of all, don't bring Orianna into this. It takes considerably more skill to play her than someone like Ahri or Leblanc. And, I don't think ALL mages are abusing those items. Just the broken ones like Leblanc and Ahri.

Succubús GF9 votes

Ahri is literally skillshot based and lb got nerfed HELLA. Ori isnt exactly the most difficult champion to play

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