zilean is waste of potential

MrSlowDie·Dec 12, 2014·3 votes·921 views

giving opinion as a new player here. imo, you wasted so much potential, in zilean kit.

When I saw zilean splash, well that's cool Read his lore, wow it's about time, that's cool

Tried him, what? a passive that doesn't fit time mage (hey guys, I manipulate time, and you will get +8% exp from killing minion), time bomb (what joke is this, time mage with time bomb?), ms boost/slow (can't tell if he speed up time or just speed up their ms), and an ult that doesn't scale with time. Did you take it seriously when creating zilean? There are so much things to explore about time based champion. The best thing about him is rewind, and it's not that much.

Will you rework zilean? a new kit that screams louder for his identity seems good

25 Comments

BeatzBoyFTWDec 12, 20143 votes

He was like 90% of the time ban in Worlds Championship, so I think Riot did a pretty good job scaring the Koreans into banning the old man a lot.

Leti the YetiDec 12, 20142 votes

speed up time: rewind/speed buff slow down/turn back time: chronoshift/slow debuff

lolwat: timebombs

well uuh you come up with a balanced time mage... global time freeze sound good to you?

MrSlowDieDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} speed up time: rewind/speed buff slow down/turn back time: chronoshift/slow debuff

lolwat: timebombs

well uuh you come up with a balanced time mage... global time freeze sound good to you?

chronoshift isn't turn back time, well by the description it is but read what the skill does, no time turned, it's just a revive :/

non-global time freeze sounds good to me.

Leti the YetiDec 12, 20141 votes

-turns back time 3 seconds before you died-

pretty time manipulative to me

RebonackDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} -turns back time 3 seconds before you died-

pretty time manipulative to me

Yeah, he doesn't do that, though. He revives you and heals you a bunch.

'Slows enemy champion for 3 seconds, after three seconds the enemy champion is returned to the point they were at when this spell was cast and Roots them for (duration)' That would be a time-related ability.

'You step into an accelerated frame of reference, freezing time for (duration) and allowing you to act with impunity.'

'You teleport target champion into the future, causing them to vanish from existence for (duration).'

'You teleport the target champion back in time five seconds, causing them to revert to the health, mana, and positional values they had previously.'

'You split the timeline and create a temporal anchor point. Reactivating this ability within its duration resets the whole map to the point that the timeline was split at.'

'You call a future version of yourself to fight along side you for (duration). They mimic all your spell casts and can be moves by reactivating this ability. Exactly one minute after using this ability, you will be pulled into the past for (duration) and vanish from the map'.

And so on and so forth. Those would be Time Mage abilities.

DryditchDec 12, 20141 votes

And completely unbalanced...

Anything that removes agency from another player is not only unbalanced, but entirely unfun.

RebonackDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} And completely unbalanced...

Anything that removes agency from another player is not only unbalanced, but entirely unfun.

You have a really skewed perspective on what fun is.

People have their agency removed all the time in League. It happens on a pretty regular basis when you get CCed or die.

DryditchDec 12, 20141 votes

There's a difference between a stun (which does suck and can often be unfun) and being flat out REMOVED from the game, or completely reset to a position.

There is no counterplay if you want the champion using those skills to be fun, and there is no enjoyment if you want to give the "victim" some sort of chance to interact with the game.

Dying is a result of actions you (including your team) have taken. CC exists in various forms, and often is either single target or incredibly short.

Your ideas are flat out broken and provide zero counterplay. Perhaps your time would be better spent trying to find a happy medium between those and Sion's new kit than arguing with me.

MrSlowDieDec 13, 20141 votes

{quoted} -turns back time 3 seconds before you died-

pretty time manipulative to me

if only his ult works that way, it will be pretty cool. Like turns back time X (+Y% AP) seconds. And not only the health plz, the position too.

JamareeDec 12, 20141 votes

If only you knew how much that hitting level 2 first at higher elo meant. If only you knew how much free harass it gives, that time bomb. If only you understood the importance of CC that can be used on both ally or enemy, and if only you truly understood how good his ultimate really was and why it can't be any better...if...only.

MrSlowDieDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} If only you knew how much that hitting level 2 first at higher elo meant. If only you knew how much free harass it gives, that time bomb. If only you understood the importance of CC that can be used on both ally or enemy, and if only you truly understood how good his ultimate really was and why it can't be any better...if...only.

if only you know I am talking about how HE WASTED THE POTENTIAL OF TIME BASED CHAMPION. and time bomb is the most funny skill, yes it's good for harass, but it doesn't fit at all. Won't surprised if zilean has ticker timer or alarm as one of his skill

JamareeDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} if only you know I am talking about how HE WASTED THE POTENTIAL OF TIME BASED CHAMPION. and time bomb is the most funny skill, yes it's good for harass, but it doesn't fit at all. Won't surprised if zilean has ticker timer or alarm as one of his skill

He does and should have a rework coming, he is a beta champion so his time will come. No pun intended.

MahnigguhDec 12, 20141 votes

you forgot to mention his 100% CDR in his Kit and late game :/ the MS boost constantly being up makes you almost as fast as rammus and a free res almost once a minute or less. plus... im a baddy but i realize that zilean has more power in his kit than the majority of champs. no rework please

EpicusmaximoDec 12, 20141 votes

He has identity...

Honestly I think OP is trolling, or just suffering from new badness. I once though Zilean sucked too, until I learned how to properly use him. I've got double and triple kills, and saved team fights with him. He's borderline imba.

TalamareDec 12, 20141 votes

All the replies are proving that they do not understand what the OP is talking about

HE DOESN'T CARE IF ZILEAN IS PLAYABLE OR GOOD

His point is that it doesn't feel enough like a Time Champion

MrSlowDieDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} All the replies are proving that they do not understand what the OP is talking about

HE DOESN'T CARE IF ZILEAN IS PLAYABLE OR GOOD

His point is that it doesn't feel enough like a Time Champion

that's true :(

JefftiffyDec 12, 20141 votes

We could say if you turn back the clock, this thread was a ticking time bomb. Vayne

MrSlowDieDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} He does and should have a rework coming, he is a beta champion so his time will come. No pun intended.

really? is there any discussion thread for his rework? definitely would throw some ideas there

MrSlowDieDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} He has identity...

Honestly I think OP is trolling, or just suffering from new badness. I once though Zilean sucked too, until I learned how to properly use him. I've got double and triple kills, and saved team fights with him. He's borderline imba.

zilean sucked, identity wise. do you really think a time bomb is good for time mage? or even ms boost/slow, the particles can't even tell me if that's time manipulation. His ult is a joke, it's just Guardian Angel 2.0, nothing to do with "time"

MrSlowDieDec 12, 20141 votes

I can't believe how cait being not sniper-y or graves not shotgun-y or cass not snake-y got upvoted a lot. While the worst kit (identity wise) zilean, got no upvote, DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK ZILEAN IS TIME MAGE-Y ENOUGH ??

CenturosDec 12, 20141 votes

Rewind may be a neat thematic ability, but it's basically just "push this button every 15 seconds if you have the mana" (or whatever the cooldown is), and it feels like he doesn't have an ability in that slot.

MrSlowDieDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} Rewind may be a neat thematic ability, but it's basically just "push this button every 15 seconds if you have the mana" (or whatever the cooldown is), and it feels like he doesn't have an ability in that slot.

well, that's true :/

RebonackDec 12, 20141 votes

ITT: people who can't tell the difference between mechanical power and thematic awesomeness.

Zil is supposed to be a Time Mage.

Time Mage is an amazing champion hook.

And Zil is probably the worst execution of the concept of Time Mage I have ever encountered ever.

MrSlowDieDec 12, 20141 votes

{quoted} ITT: people who can't tell the difference between mechanical power and thematic awesomeness.

Zil is supposed to be a Time Mage.

Time Mage is an amazing champion hook.

And Zil is probably the worst execution of the concept of Time Mage I have ever encountered ever.

this guy explains everything

RebonackDec 13, 20141 votes

Okay?

Let's grab just one of the examples and run with it.

An ability that uses a 'Stasis' effect on the target ala Hourglass. This would (pretty clearly) have gameplay tradeoffs with a Stun. A Stunned foe can still be damaged. A Stasis'd foe can't. That's a pretty major downside, right? How long would such an effect last? What kind of targeting paradigm would it use? Clearly not champion targeted since Riot is increasingly adverse to targeted CC, much to the joy of mobile champions. Would it deal damage or not? Would it have some kind of interesting effect upon releasing the target from stasis? Could it be removed by popping QSS? What about Cleanse? What about Crucible's active?

An offense Stasis effect could have a ton of potential balancing pivots, but you seem pretty dead set on the mindset of 'something new and different, kill it!'

And yes, most of the stuff I tossed out there would probably be OP as balls. I'm not suggesting a kit. This isn't the Champion Concepts forum. I was simply tossing around a few ideas involving the general flavor of what time-based spells would look like. Stuff that manipulates time is really fucking powerful. It takes one of the most fundamental aspects of reality and tells it where it can shove its ideas of cause and effect.

That is what a Time Mage does.

And putting exploding clocks on people is a far cry from that ideal.