Anyone think cass is confusing??

MrSlowDie·Dec 26, 2014·14 votes·1,588 views

So I was looking at cass skill description. And I found it incredibly messy, aspect serpent stack every x, 75 stack you get this and this, 250 stack your this increased and you get this, max stack your this increased, if you E poisoned you'll this, if your E kill someone you'll this, your E also add debuff that will do this.

it's like.. everything thrown at cass, especially her E. CD reset, poison debuff, mana restore, hp sustain. oughh.. it kinda hurt my brain in the first glance. There are 4 features in her E with 3 different condition required.

can we somehow simplified the description please?

18 Comments

AtheosisXDec 27, 201410 votes

Yeah she's a convoluted mess, but Stashu stays the course...

Duke AnaxDec 27, 20141 votes

It seems at this point Stashu stays several different courses and it's a wonder he gets anywhere.

TendrianDec 27, 20145 votes

She used to be a perfectly fine and straight forward champ, but the "efforts" of the rework team left her as the complete trainwreck we have right now...

Penguin EclipseDec 27, 20144 votes

There really is no way to simplify it. She's a complicated mess.

5G8Nri0B54Dec 27, 20145 votes

NONSENSE! Anything can be simplified by a simple image. Here's a few for Cassiopeia's rework...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/BNO-trainwreck_cover.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg

(that 2nd image right there makes me think RekSai could totally use a kick-ass steampunk skin)

PS - and you want meta-thematic Cassiopeia skin? A steam-punk robot Cassiopeia skin where her snake-section is actually a train and she herself is a steampunk robot throwing out steam in place of her poison...

AmonarthDec 26, 20143 votes

Cass TLDR: Passive: You gain stacks over time, you gain stacks when enemy is poisoned. Q: You DoT enemy with poison and get MS% W: You land AoE poison field, poison lasts for a short time and slows enemies in it E: Death, aka. If your enemy is poisoned, your CD is 0.5s R: If enemy looks at you they are stunned, if they look away they are slowed. Does dmg.

QuephaDec 27, 20141 votes

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Cass TLDR: Passive: You gain stacks over time, you gain stacks when enemy is poisoned. Q: You DoT enemy with poison and get MS% W: You land AoE poison field, poison lasts for a short time and slows enemies in it E: Death, aka. If your enemy is poisoned, your CD is 0.5s R: If enemy looks at you they are stunned, if they look away they are slowed. Does dmg.

you missed what she gets from the stacks at different thresholds and the mana restore on E

would be nice if the stacks were simplified to just give ap at a certain rate, it's weird that it increases in big bursts. riot said that makes it feel better to the player to get that big burst, which makes nasus and veigar stacks feel better because they hit a point where they can nuke people but i don't really buy it.

Kowe The EwokDec 27, 20141 votes

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Cass TLDR: Passive: You gain stacks over time, you gain stacks when enemy is poisoned. Q: You DoT enemy with poison and get MS% W: You land AoE poison field, poison lasts for a short time and slows enemies in it E: Death, aka. If your enemy is poisoned, your CD is 0.5s. ** Hitting an enemy with this ability boosts poison damage by 20%. Stacks 2 times. Upon 100 stacks this ability heals for a small amount.** R: If enemy looks at you they are stunned, if they look away they are slowed. Does dmg.

So yea, you can see the reason why mana people complain about E being overloaded (You're ~~basically~~ forced to max it)

EDIT: I'm not sure - does the ability power RATIO on E still scale with skill level? Or did they only have it on PBE?

AbyssphereDec 27, 20141 votes

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So yea, you can see the reason why mana people complain about E being overloaded (You're ~~basically~~ forced to max it)

EDIT: I'm not sure - does the ability power RATIO on E still scale with skill level? Or did they only have it on PBE?

The AP ratio on E scaled with level before the last patch (as yet another way for them to force you to max it first), but it no longer does. It's now a flat 0.55.

5G8Nri0B54Dec 27, 20144 votes

It's a flat amount now, so the only thing levelling E does is slightly raise it's base damage.

But yeah, her E is more overloaded than early-Oprah while her Q and W have the substance of a starving child in Sub-Saharan Africa. Stashu still hasn't answered to exactly why he decided to make her Q and W shit just so he can funnel all the power to her E.

AbyssphereDec 27, 20142 votes

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It's a flat amount now, so the only thing levelling E does is slightly raise it's base damage.

But yeah, her E is more overloaded than early-Oprah while her Q and W have the substance of a starving child in Sub-Saharan Africa. Stashu still hasn't answered to exactly why he decided to make her Q and W shit just so he can funnel all the power to her E.

He kinda did actually. When he talked about DOTs being unclear he said it was "inappropriate" for her poisons (including Miasma) to do significant amounts of damage. So he dumpstered them.

5G8Nri0B54Dec 27, 20145 votes

It's...really un-convincing when his argument basically summed up to "people are too stupid to realize getting poisoned constantly hurts a lot so let's make poison damage shit"

Not to mention, a lot of that fault have to do with them not doing a good enough job of making Poison more noticeable beyond a tiny purple cloud.

5G8Nri0B54Dec 27, 20142 votes

Actually not quite!

Her stacks are now 100, 250,.......500.

Anyways regarding the topic in general...less confusing more of a trainwreck that needs to be overhauled.

DarkenedSoul420Dec 27, 20142 votes

Just build items like roa and rylais to make you survive the semi weak early game and thendo your rabadons or hourglass by the time you hit your stacks and boom, it no longer feels like you have to "survive" untill you hit your power spike. To be honest her early game isn't that bad as long as you trade safely, your twin fang can regen the mana you use in the trades. Also twin fang is a short enough cd that you can last hit minions with it even if they arent poisoned to make the most of the mana regen.

As far as her generall gameplay goes,its just a matter of landing your poison and then throwing a couple of twin fangs at your enemy right after. For lane trades, land your Q and try to land a twin fang or two before backing off. Do NOT overstay because most mid laners will win prolonged trades with you untill you get your catalyst/roa. Also abuse the shit out of the regen on your twin fangs, it makes a huge difference when you have full mana and they are OOM.

I hope something in there helps for ya