We actually like "basic" champs once in a while (I think) !

the weeaboo·Apr 3, 2017·38 votes·1,969 views

EDIT: I think you guys are confusing what I'm saying with easy. there's a difference between basic and easy

I really liked the simplicity of . Her passive didn't require a PhD to understand, and all of her abilities are fairly straightforward. Q: 5 damage rocks then 1 damage rock W: Move them with rocks E: No dashing over rocks R: Big rock wall. was also pretty well done in terms of being basic.

Other notably simple champs I love:

Just saying we don't need calculus in all their spells to be a fun champ. Not saying I don't like complex champs , but its nice to have some refreshingly simple champs where I don't need to watch the spotlight 4 times just to get the basics.

48 Comments

Sexy Jack RabbitApr 3, 20176 votes

Taliyah is an odd choice. Her kit is basic. Q is damage, W is CC, E is tacked on DPS and her Ult is a wall. But the kit in itself has a lot of little nuances that make her hard to function on a fundamental level. She's not really the kind of champ you can pick up and do really well as, unlike Morgana or Lux

Despite what some MIGHT say, I find Jhin pretty hard to play, sames goes for Lucian. You can't just Orb-walk naturally, you have to like weave abilities through his auto-attacks and it's all too complex for a Miss Fortune player like myself.

Personally I love simple champions SO much more then I do complicated ones. I don't want to have to read a patch note for a passive and being able to pick up a champion and do well as them get rid of that entire learning curve frustration.

OelykApr 3, 20171 votes

I like jhin because you don't have to adjust orb-walking over game length cause attack speed is always the same.

Mira Arya EntheApr 3, 20176 votes

I'd also love some more visually and thematically simple champions. Not everything has to be an a-symmetrical oddjob with a backstory with as much "complexity" and "Twists" as an M. Night Shyamalan movie.

SweedishGunnerApr 3, 20171 votes

Rek'Sai fills this void (heh). I know she's pretty old by now but she's simply the queen of her species that lives in Shurima and hunts people to eat.

She also looks pretty simple and doesn't have loads of crazy particles and animations etc.

SpookyNeedleApr 3, 20175 votes

AurelionSol is simple Jhin is simple Lemme explain jhin's abilities. Passive- more AD based on attack speed and similar things, W and teammates apply a mark, 4 shot ammo system replaces aa's Q- bouncing grenade that hurts more if it kills more in the previous bounces W- long ranged linear skillshot that stuns marked targets if hit E- invisible trap that slows, applies mark R- 4 long ranged shots that slow, 4th crits

Now you might think, that's not basic. That's because I didn't dumb it down very much and made it a lot of words.

Also Kindred isn't complex Passive- marks enemy camps that give a permanent dmg increase for each one killed, you can choose an enemy champ to mark as well. Q- short dash that fires 3 arrows W- circle area that makes Q have a lower cd and has a wolf that aa's E- targetted slow that has a 3 hit passive R- aoe death nullifier for both teams

Maybe I'm crazy… I find these champs simple. Not quite as basic as Annie but not quite as hard as Azir someone I find truly complex

BIG DADDY BARDApr 3, 20177 votes

Azir: Passive: spawns mini turrets on dead turrets Q: moves soldiers W: makes a sand soldier, they basic attack for azir E: azir dashes to sand soldiers R: azir shoots out a wall that enemies cannot pass over

BLACK REALM GODApr 3, 201717 votes

just goes to how that when you take the numbers out of a champions kit anything can be simple.

BIG DADDY BARDApr 3, 20172 votes

Exactly my point, him saying that jhin is simple then that azir is hard confused me.

5000000000000000Apr 4, 20173 votes

I mean, Azir's spells individually are simple. How the simple spells interact to create a complex gameplay is something different. It's also true that some champions aren't very complex, but just difficult to explain with few words. Jhin's abilities are fairly simple.

Sexy Jack RabbitApr 3, 20171 votes

I mean incomparison to Jhin, Miss Fortune is Q: Bouncy Damage. W: Attack Speed. E: Slow R: Lots of Damage.

The fact you even need to explain his abilities doesn't really make him sound all the easy. I've played him a few times, and alongside Lucian and Graves, he just really doesn't function like a normal ADC and he's kinda hard to pick up and do well as. Whereas if I pick up MissFortune Ashe or Caitlyn I'm guaranteed to do fine as they're just that easy. He's really not your average ADC.

Chromatic EagleApr 3, 20173 votes

Honestly I don't think Jhin is terribly hard besides his ult (after I press r, do i just point and click, or spam r?), and the passive regarding his stats.

Sexy Jack RabbitApr 3, 20171 votes

I mean you can't naturally orb-walk, he has no self-peel, his AOE Damage is pretty neglible and he can't deal with Tanks, which is basically the one thing that Marksman are meant to do.

He's just extremely different to every other ADC.

Iźuku MidoriyaApr 4, 20171 votes

I can see what youre saying, i feel hes just more mechanical as apposed to MF for example

SpoofghoulApr 3, 20174 votes

Sion

P: Rape Q: Crush W: Main E: Mutilate R: Destroy

simple af

Gangplank

P: Fire Q: Pew pew W: Nom orange E: Bigger pew pew R: Even bigger pew pew

see simple af

Malphite P: Rock Q: tumbling rock W: More rock E: Smash rock R: Boulder

simple :D

[slayer-jinx-catface]

agbudarApr 4, 20173 votes

Braum P: go in hard from behind Q: throw a goat W: jump to a fool E: Shield R: Braum's middlefinger

5000000000000000Apr 4, 20171 votes

Q: strike like ram

ftfy

the weeabooApr 4, 20172 votes

Azir

P: replaces old turret qith temp turret Q: soldiers move and spear W: spawn soldier that autos for azir E: dash to soldier R: knockback + inpassable wall

anythings basic if you say it like that

AcidTheWarlockApr 3, 20173 votes

Galio ?

TNHA BaritoneApr 3, 20172 votes

replace Taliyah and put someone like Lux. Taliyah's combo is actually fairly hard to hit.

the weeabooApr 4, 20171 votes

Was just talking about recent releases

SteelMankindApr 3, 20172 votes

As for the "complex" champs you mentioned - less straightforward abilities than some =/= complex. Yeah, Yasuo and Jhin have a paragraph for their ability descriptions instead of sentence. So what? You read the ability description on surrender at 20 pbe update, watch the spotlight, and you know what the champion does. Ive never felt frustrated at all with the time it takes to learn what an ability does.

Mostro GalloApr 3, 20172 votes

The thing is that champions NEED to be complex at this point. The current champion pool is very large (almost too large, in my opinion). Adding simple champions to the mix runs the risk of homogeneity and identity overlap. The more complex a champion is, the more unique it is.

That's why I advocate a hiatus in the release of new champions. Riot should just prioritize reworking old champions.

Troll for TrumpApr 3, 20171 votes

Basi abilities to play doesn't mean "basic"(easy) to use.

Ideally, a beginner champ has both basic abilities that don't put strain on the new player to go through, and easy to use.

As a consequence, those champs will have lower skill ceilings, and just end up being worse than whatever more difficult, higher skill ceiling, complex champ there is out there.

Garen would fit that, and his "more advanced" counterpart would be Darius.

FloupiApr 3, 20171 votes

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JulanusApr 3, 20174 votes

Basic does not mean easy.

In fact, basic kits can be some of the hardest to master because they aren't crammed full of extra abilities, passives, toggles, and all sorts of other junk.

FloupiApr 3, 20172 votes

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AckelopeApr 3, 20171 votes

basic means that there isn't a lot to read through and/or understand. Most abilities will have one or two effects, with each effect relying on one stat. Jhin is one of the most complex champs probably just by virtue of his passive, since it changes so much about what is otherwise a pretty consistent and basic concept. not that that makes him more difficult to play than taliyah, i'm aware that taliyah's comboes are considered some of the more difficult ones to pull off, simply that when you take a look at taliyah's abilities, you understand them more quickly and often the first time through, whereas i have experienced multiple people who really don't understand jhin's passive, aside from "attack less, attack harder", which really doesn't do it much justice.

OyddAWqJ5rApr 3, 20171 votes

Ahri Alistar Amumu Anivia Annie Ashe AurelionSol Blitzcrank Chogath Darius Garen Gnar Hecarim Lux Malphite MasterYi Morgana Nasus Nautilus Nocturne Nunu Olaf Pantheon RekSai Renekton Sejuani Shyvana Sona Swain Taliyah Teemo Trundle Tryndamere TwistedFate Varus Veigar Velkoz Vladimir Volibear Warwick XinZhao Zac

Some are debatable and have low skill floor high, skill caps but all in all these champs are easy to pick up and play.

FloupiApr 3, 20172 votes

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junglerboy16Apr 3, 20171 votes

Kled is a little tricky to figure out at first, actually, mainly because his lane phase is awkward if you aren't practiced at recharging your courage. Probably easier than many others though.

OelykApr 3, 20171 votes

I agree with most of them except Gnar and possibly Vladimir based on the pure fact that there power spikes are on a short timer they cant control directly, requiring expierience and knowledge to work with. edit: add Jax and Irelia and most attack spd bruisers, they are straight forward enough with there kits.

Janna mìdApr 3, 20171 votes

Anivia AurelionSol Taliyah TwistedFate Easy to pick up and play .-.

OyddAWqJ5rApr 4, 20171 votes

Yup. I have 0 experience on those champs other than TF but can easily say I could pick up and play em all in 2-3 games. TF is a no-brainer.

Knowing the fundamentals of playing the game in order to play simplistic champions to maximum efficiency is a separate unrelated topic from how easy a champion is to pick up and play said simplistic champion is.

It's actually a design philosophy that Riot tries to adhere to more often than not, so the majority of the playerbase can enjoy the majority of the cast.

Janna mìdApr 4, 20171 votes

I don't know much about tf since i never play him (anivia neither) but based on what i heard, those champs are hard to play actually (and when i picked up taliyah and aurelion i wasn't effective a lot of games, it's not even like aurelion got a kit that is straightforward)

OyddAWqJ5rApr 4, 20171 votes

Low skill floor. Easy to play.

High skill cap. Hard to master.

Janna mìdApr 4, 20171 votes

The thing is taliyah isn't easy to play and to master, same with aurelion, and i don't know about the others kassadin is easy to play for example or kled

OyddAWqJ5rApr 4, 20171 votes

Kassadin is just as hard to play effectively as Taliyah and Sol.

I dunno what you're thinking makes either harder. If I put 2 bronzies vs each other mid lane 1v1 as Kass vs Taliyah or Kass vs Sol I can easily say the Taliyah/Sol will win hands down.

OleandervineApr 3, 20171 votes

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Some are debatable and have low skill floor high, skill caps but all in all these champs are easy to pick up and play.

Any champ is easy to pick up and play - that's literally every champ. Being effective, however, is where complexity comes in. Ahri, Gnar, Hecarim, Pantheon, Olaf, Renekton, and Shyvana require a bit more than just "pick up, play, win." Their kits require a bit more concerted mental effort to do well with them, especially since most of them are high risk/high reward champions.

OyddAWqJ5rApr 4, 20171 votes

Essentially. But we weren't talking effectiveness. OP was talking of how Taliyah is a "breath of fresh air easy to play champ" when the game is literally filled with them.

logic301Apr 4, 20171 votes

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Some are debatable and have low skill floor high, skill caps but all in all these champs are easy to pick up and play.

Sol and taliyah are harder champs with high skillcaps tho imo

hhaavviikkApr 3, 20171 votes

I'd rather not have toddler level of basic though e.g. sona

Maximum MordeApr 3, 20171 votes

I like Annie.

cinomenapplebaeApr 3, 20171 votes

Annie Jinx Riven MissFortune Are probably my favorite champions, I'd say Riven is hard to master yet they can all be picked up easily.

AnagsApr 4, 20171 votes

How is Jihn complex? I mean he scales with everything you can basically build any adc build and it will work. His abilities are really easy to understand as is his ammo system.

the weeabooApr 4, 20171 votes

Give a new player Miss Fortune, then give them Jhin. Who will they do better on.

BorblandApr 4, 20171 votes

I personally like more "over"loaded champions as long they know how to balance them. Sadly, its often not the case and they end up broken (Mostly when they do overloaded bruisers or assassins)

Mighty MorteinApr 4, 20171 votes

Leona Super simple, heavy CC, really tanky.

P: Magic damage for allies when you hit enemies with spells.

Q: Stun.

W: Armor and MR resistance.

E. Snare/dash

R. AoE Stun/slow which gives you a bit of an AA range buff.

Common combination - W, Q, E, AA with stun ready, ult if they're running.

Hauling AsheApr 4, 20171 votes

We also would appreciate some less mobile champs, ya know? I'm not saying champs with mobility are bad, but soon the champs without a dash, jump, burrow, or Olaf ult will be in the minority and unplayable.