Please Do Not Put these Xin Buffs Through

FacerollKatarina·Jan 28, 2016·155 votes·4,793 views

Xin Zhao already is super strong with Sated and Rageblade (not saying he's broken but those items make him very strong) and these buffs are completely unnecessary! He isn't performing bad right now, there's really no point in buffing him.

He's at a 49% win rate which is VERY fair considering most champions healthy champions in the game are within the 49-51% area. Don't do what you did with Lux and over buff a champion who is doing fine to begin with please.

(P.S, Thank you for the Akali buffs!) : )

64 Comments

Pentarina OnlyJan 28, 201610 votes

Enjoying the Akali buffs, now we need Katarina buffs to her base health stats.

FacerollKatarinaJan 28, 201619 votes

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Enjoying the Akali buffs, now we need Katarina buffs to her base health stats.

Ugh I know! Honestly it's nothing major to buff her starting HP because she is far too squishy to be a melee assassin with absolutely 0 sustain and low base damage early.

UnderworldvisitoJan 28, 201634 votes

Buff zed. Makes his abilities scale 50% more and start put with 200 base ad.

Pentarina OnlyJan 28, 20164 votes

Shut up.

#KillZed

UnderworldvisitoJan 28, 20162 votes

No pls don't kill zed remembers time veigar fed zed 20/2 Kk kill him

HeadHonchkrowJan 28, 20162 votes

Why pick Veigar into Zed lol

macromiteJan 28, 20161 votes

what if it was zed into veigar.

TyaldanJan 28, 20161 votes

Veigar into zed isnt impossible, but id never pick INTO it. If zed picks into veigar just play safe, take teleport, and leave lane whnever you hit 60% health. farm up, delete everyone late game with one well timed stun field.

UnderworldvisitoJan 29, 20161 votes

I don't know. Told him veigar wasn't a really good matchup, but he wanted veigar.

LSmaster16Jan 28, 201610 votes

Jihn beat you to it.

FacerollKatarinaJan 28, 20167 votes

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Buff zed. Makes his abilities scale 50% more and start put with 200 base ad.

Gahh Zed :( don't remind me of that name

UnderworldvisitoJan 28, 20168 votes

Sorry. But... ZED ZED ZED ZED

FacerollKatarinaJan 28, 20167 votes

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Sorry. But... ZED ZED ZED ZED

PLEASE, HAVE MERCY!!!!!

ProtokaiJan 28, 20166 votes

Zed "mercy is for the weak"

UnderworldvisitoJan 28, 20168 votes

Talon has mercy^_^ I could spam him instead TALON TALON TALON TALON TALON

ZydronJan 29, 20161 votes

Redmercy?

UnderworldvisitoJan 28, 20162 votes

? Wondering who disliked...not that I mind it, just wondering who and why

JQKAndreiJan 28, 20161 votes

Or just make an item specifically designed for him!

TyaldanJan 28, 20161 votes

Dont you mean bonus ad so that his w gets a good balanced start to its scaling? People dont take w early enough on zed it should be #1 skill so to compensate he gets 100 bonus ad every time he clicks it loololloololol

TheDiffJan 28, 20161 votes

What are they doing to Akali? Is my favorite assassin going to be relevant again?!??! :D

HighH1Jan 28, 20161 votes

no just slightly faster so she can reach her target faster by 1 second before she get's insta-gibbed

Voluug13Jan 28, 20162 votes

Just evade their oink ward with your own pink ward.

ElkhantarJan 28, 20162 votes

Lol oink ward :D

Ayame IsakiJan 28, 20162 votes

I commented above, but here is the TL;DR:

Fixed R speed accidental nerf from 5.9.
Q refunds more energy at lower levels (flat 40 all levels). This might make her early laning slightly better.

Nothing really significant.

Ayame IsakiJan 28, 20162 votes

Except the Akali buffs aren't significant.

The R speed is a bug fix back from 5.9 that people have been asking for for ages. It only took around half a year to get that fixed. Basically this reverts an unintentional nerf (since she wasn't balanced around that bug, this is not strictly a 'buff').
The Q energy refund only really plays in if you max E first... why would you even do that? I guess maybe if you were farming under tower and had no hope of beating any of your opponents. Outside of that, this might help with early wave clear against abusive mids like Donger, Ziggs, and Zed.

They should totally buff Katarina's health though. I need more padding to help get resets!

HextenJan 29, 20162 votes

At the end of the day, the Shadow Dance bugfix is still a buff because it is something Akali did not have access to before the fix. Basically, its a wait-and-see approach to see if these small light changes will put Akali in a better spot without having to overdo it.

Ayame IsakiJan 29, 20161 votes

She had it up until 5.9 when they added the pass through. It isn't like it is something she never had. They are reverting an accidental nerf.

HextenJan 29, 20162 votes

I know, I was the one that made the countless bug reports on it. When that didn't work, I tweet rickless myself to tell him about it since October, but he said that it would be a good thing to do when they are looking into making changes to Akali. And so here we are 3 months later when Riot has time to look into Akali, this is the first thing they did.

Details here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/ErzYFuxe-gameplay-akalis-dash-travels-slower

But still, its technically a buff because that what it simply is. If Akali is performing poorly for 8 months because of a slower dash due to a bug, then fixing the bug to increase the dash back to normal will make Akali perform more strongly, which basically what a buff is.

I am not complaining about the changes to Akali, I am an avid Akali main since 2011 and have participated alot in discussing Akali's balance over the years since then. I really hated how they did the strikethrough change in 5.9, and for some reason, it messed up the dash speed when it shouldn't. The real fix would be to redo their strikethrough code so that it actually reads the missile speed the same way as a normal dash. The easy way would be to simply increase the missile speed up to until it matches the old dash speed.

Nonetheless, the dash speed shouldn't of got lower since 5.9, and it took over 8 months to fix it...that just sucks hard but atleast its getting fixed now for 6.3.

BârdJan 28, 20168 votes

http://ace.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pACE3-5758517dt.jpg You are going to need it

Supreme Senpai69Jan 28, 20163 votes

That isn't enough.

http://turbo.fortytwotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/lube.png

BoosterinoJan 28, 20166 votes

Xin buffs? Rip opposing jg, lvl 6 buff steals + counter ganks for days!

KnoyleJan 28, 20163 votes

Shaco

charcharmunroJan 29, 20161 votes

Nunu

KnKitsuneJan 28, 20165 votes

Xin is fine where he is now. This buff seems completely unnecessary....

MLDzXnRRRJan 28, 20163 votes

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Xin is fine where he is now. This buff seems completely unnecessary....

He takes almost no skill to play and gets destroyed from any ranged champions and CC. The only reason to pick Xin is his early ganking potential, but there are even better gankers than him who are not useless without snowballing.

KnKitsuneJan 28, 20163 votes

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He takes almost no skill to play and gets destroyed from any ranged champions and CC. The only reason to pick Xin is his early ganking potential, but there are even better gankers than him who are not useless without snowballing.

That can EASILY be said for practically every melee champion.

VerxintJan 28, 20162 votes

That statement isn't even remotely true..

Riot actually figured out how to make fun melee in this game. It might have taken them 3 years but they did it.

KnoyleJan 28, 20161 votes

Actually unless you take a dump on him early on he is one of those Late game terrors you don't want to be caught split pushing by.

Sire HippingtonJan 28, 20161 votes

And those buffs just increase the problem. They make reduce his sticking potential by increaseing E cd but in crease his reward if he for some reaon is actually allowed to constantly AA even more, while also massively buffing his early. He becomes just more of a snowbally pick in both direction than he already is.

rtbf225618241Jan 28, 20164 votes

I fucking hate Akali, she's almost as ridiculously easy to play as Katarina.

DessemJan 28, 20163 votes

There needs to be some looking at Xin Zhao at least, he's kind of got a wacky winrate chart.

http://boonce.org/up/6895_obligatory%20winrate%20argument.png

Solari FortuneJan 28, 20162 votes

These are just experimental changes that a Rioter wanted to see on how it affects things. By the end of the PBE cycle they either be changed to a more reasonable amount, or removed. Just cause it shows up on PBE doesn't mean it is locked in.

Sire HippingtonJan 28, 20163 votes

to be fair, 90% of the time it means exactly that. If something hits PBE, it nearly always hits live with only minor adjustments, if any at all.

EndlessCycleJan 28, 20162 votes

Perfectly fine junglers like Xin are getting unnecessary buffs, meanwhile Xerath can't have just a little bit more size on his ult circle.

Penta PenguinJan 28, 20164 votes

As someone who used to hate Xer'ath before i actually started playing him; He is ABSOLUTELY fine right now

Mister SupportJan 28, 20162 votes

For those who don't realize, the current strongest form of Xin Zhao involves using Devourer for the faster rate of procs.

However, it is the Devourer proc which will trigger the third hit, and since it only applies on hit non-basic attack effects. Which does NOT include the critical bonus damage. So the extra damage only will apply to a non-devourer Xin Zhao, which has a lower win rate (doesn't do enough damage fast enough).

The main buff is just the AD one, which won't be too impactful considering he is susceptible to easily being cc'd which he can't proc his extra heal on now. It's melee duels and long drawn fights which he'll excel at now. As well as objective taking. Team fight wise he will still be generally the same.

hOrnnJan 28, 20162 votes

any xin buff at this point is a bad buff, watched one get a pentakill the othernight, just rolling his face with 1 broken item, we all know what item that was.

The Ginger NingaJan 28, 20162 votes

Yeah, a Xin on the other team get a penta last night as well. He and his team lost later however. He has the old Darius effect, he either stomps a team until they are useless, or fails in that regard and looses.

hOrnnJan 28, 20162 votes

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Yeah, a Xin on the other team get a penta last night as well. He and his team lost later however. He has the old Darius effect, he either stomps a team until they are useless, or fails in that regard and looses.

Xin has always been a very strong split pusher though, esp if you max W first, you can start taking turrets very early.