"We thought Xin needed some love"

Cherysse··46 votes·4,258 views

I was like "seriusly"?

Champs that need love: Aatrox (He is a champ I love playing, but he is so weak and easy to exploit that it is frustrating, even if his abilities are good and ok, his base HP and HP scaling suck, for a champ that consumes his own life to use his abilities, a champ whom gets punished for building tanky and which depends on his passive to avoid dying). Akali (I almost never see her anymore, I just wonder why? oh yeah, you nerfed her veil to the ground, nvm, she deserved it... did she?) Cassiopeia (Since you nerfed her DPS abilities to buff her E, her play pattern is so risky that I'd prefer to play a midlaner ADC than Cass, seriusly, you are just like another ADC who has to land AA's to kill, in this case she consumes mana and is squishy with no scapes, is like a bad version of Urgot). Galio (Got his core item nerfed, takes a lot of risks and is melee, so yeah, I know why he is not that much played, also you almost never put him on rotation). Illaoi (sorry but her game pattern is so weird right now) Karthus (There is a reason he hasn't been played that much now... oh yeah, super mana hungry champ with no resistance capacity at all and which runs a lots of risks, I'd better use Swain , at least I know the enemy team won't pick Soraka to render my ult useless.) Leona (when are we finally allow her to be a laner?) Nunu (Just let me forget the fact that only 2 of his abilities are actually worth against champs, which is WEIRD, I am the only person I know in this game who plays NUNU, and I am the only person in this game who has the balls to actually go an land AA's on the enemies with NUNU, why? because my build is weird? why? because NUNU is so freaking weird, he needs a VU, his W sucks (on him at least), his Q only serves against monsters and then hets this playstyle where all he does is just poke E and pray to the gods of the noobs he is able to land a good ult, because honestly, his ult sucks, even if it deals a lot of damage, you need good magic pen and an enemy team with no cc to land it properly). Ryze (You Riot GUTTED your blue skin smurf pet, like REAL HARD, his early sucks, his midgame sucks, his late sucks, the only way he goes good is by snowballing hard! ah.. he also has a pathetic range) Singed (I haven't seen this guy anymore in the current meta, mainly because the item that made him viable item 3075 got nerfed hard, and yes, it is crazy that I say that this item made him viable, but guess what? Almost every singed in the game built it, because there is nothing better than having the enemy AD's hitting themselves while they try to catch you.) Sion (Just today I saw a Darius beat the undead crap out of this guy, and literally Sion could hardly do anything against him, his Q is just o easy to dodge and SO TELEGRAPHED, the delay before his passive is actually active makes it really easy to run from and his shield should at least deal a little bit more damage). Sivir (she is actually getting some Love now, can we do something about her ult being an absurd verison of item 3069 /item 3800 and allow her to at least JUMP or something, while still adding that MS boost? you know, Xena Style! (yeah, Sivir is just a copy of Xena, but she doesn't currently feel like Xena at all.) Ziggs (you seriusly nerfed this dude a lot!) Yorick (when is he going to be reworked?) Nidalee (You made her a jungler, now she doesn't work as a supp, or as a midlaner, or as a toplaner, actually, she isn't even that good at jungling, her tramps SUCK, and she is useless unless she lands a Q, and it is not quite easy)

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ModCaptainMårvelous22 votes

Like half of what you listed isn't in the "Needs a little love" category but a "Needs a massive overhaul that completely changes how they play/act in the game".

Yorick, Aatrox, Akali, Cass, Galio, Nunu and Ryze all need major overhauls that you can't accomplish with just "Let's add a new affect to their skill or change the passive". It's why Cass and co are getting major changes in this upcoming mage patch. Not sure why they buffed Xin but any problems he currently has/had are pretty much solved with exchanging some AS on his W for a little more damage. (I still don't understand but whatever, he's stronger now, meh)

Onion the Fried1 votes

I'd have to argue against Galio needing a major overhaul. The only problems he has are his e and the way his ult works. His e could actually just do with some additional effect, like make Galio fly sooper dooper fast on it, as flash is his only reliable engage as of now. Fixing his ult so you can't blink out of it so easily and maybe even making it unbreakable would help tons as well.

Modmar8 votes

Aatrox Get's countered by movement meta, but yes his HP ratios suck compared to most. Akali Is super strong against a squishy team, and since there are many full adc comps and assassin heavy teams lately, she will start to shine. Cassiopeia Needs to farm and play for the late game. She has good damage but it's sometimes hard to land. Galio Currently underplayed and could do with some love, but in the right hands he can be very good. Illaoi Either falls on her face or dominates. I believe after the nerfs she's not viable, could maybe do with some love. Karthus You're supposed to build a lot of mana on him. ArchAngels, RoA, etc. It's very good, only problem is Q's can be insanely hard to land in the movement meta. Leona Currently a counter to some of the popular support picks, but could be buffed. Probably in her tankiness. Nunu The entire point of this guy is to walk around and be annoying, while super slowing and having tons of sustain with the nom. The atk speed makes his passive proc more often so he has even better sustain. Ryze Strong when fed, not as good as others when not fed. His snare could likely be buffed with missile speed. Singed Biggest issue with him is all the %hp damage items, such as BotRK. Building a rylais on him is awesome, makes up for TM nerf. Sion Telegraph Q is a problem, but he isn't a super damage carry anymore, should be a disruptive tank. Sivir Good wave clear, not enough general damage until late. Buffs coming soon will help her. Ziggs Just got buffed, works well, movement meta once agains hurts him. Yorick I got nothing. He can clear decently well and his late game is alright. The one I agree with that needs a lot of love. Nidalee Considered the ultimate jungler right now. Must ban/pick. If you can't land spears then you're done for and shouldn't play her.

tl;dr most champs can be good in the right situation. Movement speed meta destroyed a lot of these.

Cherysse4 votes

I know the whole point of Nunu , I actually abuse him whenever I can (but I don't do it often because I need to set an special rune page of %Life, Magic Pen + resists), I just do not think his play pattern is good, he just does too good or he is just plain BAD, and in most of the cases it is the second, he needs a buff to his AA's to encourage him to go in and Fight directly, that's the only thing his kit needs actually, because when a HARDCORE fight is engaged, he doesn't have anything to do, also he could use some rework on his W for that purpose.

And the current meta well... it destroyed a lot of champs, they need some love in general, and we need to see this things nerfed to get a healthier meta item 3009 item 3124 MissFortune (nerf her mana costs), item 3748 (the item itself is guilty for the creation of a lot of new bruisers), and to make item 3075 return % damage from on-hit effects too, to at least have a decent counter against this item 3930item 3124 meta of hypercarry champs. This new item item 3147 is a balance nightmare too. At this point Sated is like the "new" Madred's Bloodrazor, and Rageblade is like adding salt and lemon to the wound.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

MF doesn't need any nerf, she's one of the most balanced adcs wtf.

3TWarrior2 votes

she was...but she can burst down 60% of a team's hp in one well-placed ultimate

even brand can't do that...of course, he hits harder individually but...still

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

She is the easiest adc to jump on and kill and that "well-placed ulti" means your team didn't cc her, she needs no nerfing and is by far one balanced adc. Clear cut strength and weakness

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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I know the whole point of Nunu , I actually abuse him whenever I can (but I don't do it often because I need to set an special rune page of %Life, Magic Pen + resists), I just do not think his play pattern is good, he just does too good or he is just plain BAD, and in most of the cases it is the second, he needs a buff to his AA's to encourage him to go in and Fight directly, that's the only thing his kit needs actually, because when a HARDCORE fight is engaged, he doesn't have anything to do, also he could use some rework on his W for that purpose.

And the current meta well... it destroyed a lot of champs, they need some love in general, and we need to see this things nerfed to get a healthier meta item 3009 item 3124 MissFortune (nerf her mana costs), item 3748 (the item itself is guilty for the creation of a lot of new bruisers), and to make item 3075 return % damage from on-hit effects too, to at least have a decent counter against this item 3930item 3124 meta of hypercarry champs. This new item item 3147 is a balance nightmare too. At this point Sated is like the "new" Madred's Bloodrazor, and Rageblade is like adding salt and lemon to the wound.

Scaling HP quints are better than %hp in almost every scenario.

Cherysse2 votes

Nope, nope, nope, scaling HP quints depend on your level, they are good on squishy champs, % HP runes are BEAST on Nunu, level 6 and I already have 2500 HP with item 1401 item 1028 item 1001 . %HP runes are also good on Nasus mainly because they grant an extra boost of instant life to his ult, same goes with Lulu, Cho, Renek, and Mundo. You can get up to 9% extra HP with these runes, which scales from base HP plus bonus, with them I have reached over 5k life with Nunu, without building super tanky, I can assume I would be capable of reaching up to 8K life plus Steraks if I want to troll out with my runes.

I actually tower dive pre-6 with these runes, like, for real, I give a f-ck.

9% means 90 bonus life for each 1k, which doesn't depend on you waiting for them to level up, at 3k life they are full worth 270, 4k means 360. Also their mechanics works very differently than others, because they improve ults like Nasus, Lulu, Renek, etc, and it combined with a item 2138 can make up for a really scary AF HP jump of over 1k health in one second.

I should actually just build a tanky AF Scaling HP rune page combined with %HP runes, just to go in for scary tower dives.

MCBiggah991 votes

Most of them are right, except for Ryze. The nerfs completely gutted him, to the point where it's so difficult to even get fed that it should be seen as a miracle when it happens.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

On a sidenote, isn't Akali considered broken atm? Witht he Korean tank build I mean... I'm not saying she is, I haven't played with/ against one yet. I have seen Anklespankins video tho. summoner 31

LilxPaprika5 votes

What if aatrox q was an unstoppable force, immunity to crowd control? Would probably grossly op

I do think Nunu needs love esp as he is a necessary counter pick vs so many AA heavy picks.

I think akali is okay, but items are meh on her. I like to see changes to spellvamp esp aoe interaction. Would also help singe too. Nid & leona are okay IMO.

Keep in mind a lot of those champs may be underplayed because they are kind of boring to play. Yorick nunu, sivir, karthus, singe. Zzzzzz

Boulderox2 votes

At least make it so you only cost hp when you land at target location... Cus 10% to fail is just plain stupid...

Cherysse4 votes

For me Sivir is not boring, and Singed has a troll play style which is not boring at all, just spam laughs and make the enemy chase you, Yorick isnt't boring, they are just champs Riot left in the dust.

Aatrox just needs more base HP + scaling HP.

Leona is ok, thats sure, but I would like to finally see her on the TOP lane or the jungler as a consolidated pick.

Nidalee is not ok, her game pattern sucks right now, she is rather very skilled or she is just really bad, there is no middle ground with her, mostly because her Q's are super hard to land now.

Modmar2 votes

{quoted} Nidalee is not ok, her game pattern sucks right now, she is rather very skilled or she is just really bad, there is no middle ground with her, mostly because her Q's are super hard to land now.

Nid spears need to be hard to land, if they were easy we'd be back to S2 where she 1v5 while the player was wanking. Now she needs some skill

Cherysse2 votes

skill? you need to be an aimbot to land that sh-t properly... seriusly, I'd prefer them to deal less damage and be easier to land than having this shi-t; oh, Im Korean, I can land anything, Im god tier with Nidalee, let me throw a skillshot which has the size of a needle at you... did I mention it is slow? oh yeah, whatever, Im Korean.

It is one thing; she is heavily good /AImbot You can't land anything and you should just refund the character.

Nidalee is a character which could be actually Hydrid, have an unique play pattern and build and be super fun, but her Q is not relliable at all.

Unstable Orbit5 votes

No, you just have to be creative in the angles you throw them from. You're clearly a guy who runs into lane broadcasting your position trying to throw max ranged Qs. I've mained Nidalee for a while on my main account and I find her to be the most rewarding champion of them all. She also has incredibly good jungle clears and can 1 shot just about any squishy when ahead. The new item works wonders and I reckon if they touch items during the mage update it'll only get better.

Just because YOU'RE incapable of landing a skillshot doesn't make a champion bad.

Westonbirt1 votes

But Xin has exactly the same problems, he's a binary hypercarry whose only calling is snowballing out of control, perma-CC his target while becoming unkillably sustained.

skullzx72 votes

Yeah i really agree with this, which is weird cause I put up a post saying Illaoi needed some love and got crucified by people saying she takes less skill than Master Yi and has more sustain than Garen.

wat.

charcharmunro1 votes

She does kinda have the Olaf thing going where you can't really kill her when she's low, at least not as fast as you'd think. But, yeah, if you're going TOWARDS Illaoi, you've made a grave mistake.

Zav5HDjHuJ2 votes

You had me until Leona and Nidalee. Nidalee is a strong jungler and has seen good LCS play to boot. Leona isn't designed to be a solo laner.

3TWarrior2 votes

leona originally was, just like blitzcrank, but players found that their massive CC and burst was too effective in bottom lane

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

TahmKench is the only current top/support, but everyone has a problem with him for doing both. So why should Leona ?

KalkiKrosah1 votes

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TahmKench is the only current top/support, but everyone has a problem with him for doing both. So why should Leona ?

I play Alistar top lane to moderate success in my normals. Taric top is also pretty good as well. And Taric mid is an extremely hard counter to Zed, Talon, Yasuo and Riven.

SithesisLord1 votes

Because Leona doesn´t have half the things TK does.

All i want is for her to be able to proc her own passive. For less damage, obviously.

foinhas2 votes

leona never belonged in a solo lane... She WAS released as a suppport.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

I hate the term of giving a champion "love". It seems like what a Rioter would say in the middle of an argument that's aggressive against them to sound very calm, sure, and cute. Though really it probably means something different.

Player: "Really why did you buff Xin, you idiots!!" Rioter: "We thought Xin Zhao could use some love."

Player: "Really why did you buff Xin, you idiots!!" Rioter: "We honestly just spin a wheel at the office and buff/nerf whoever it lands on."

Lugg2 votes

Xin was already on the strong side. He didn't really need any love.

As for the others, Aatrox and Cass do need some kind of tuning/rework. Akali is great as a bruiser build now. Galio is perfectly fine as an anti-AP champ. Illaoi needs major rework. Karthus is actually fine, you just have to make it to late game, which he can do since he farms so well. Leona just needs to be able to proc her passive and she would be perfect. Nunu needs to be able to Consume champs, even if it is half damage. Ryze just needs deleted at this point if they won't properly rework him. Singed is fine. Sion just needs to be able to pop his shield earlier. Sivir is going to be fine with the crit added to her Ricochet. Ziggs ult just got a nice buff, he's fine. Yorick rework is on the way. Sivir needs her power moved from her spear to her other abilities, she is just a poke bot right now.

Bisaknosp2 votes

nidalee is pretty strong right now

Jofeyy2 votes

Ashe :(

La Barbotte1 votes

Akali lol gimme a week or so, im back baby

Luxrath1 votes

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Akali lol gimme a week or so, im back baby

Tank akali. No. We want assassins to BE ASSASSINS.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Aatrox's Q shouldn't be delayed then move to landing point but one smooth motion, and his Q should deal magic while E deals physical damage, along with a few base stat fixes.

Akali will get a rework.

Cassi will get a rework.

Galio is pretty strong atm, just that noone except mains like me know how to use him :3

Illaoi needs a rework http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/u7JUVF59-illaoi-needs-a-rework-not-a-buff But noone wants to listen to me and she'll get buffed by riot immensly probably then people will QQ and I'll just be drinking because I knew it'd happen

Karthus was heavily nerfed and needs buffs....

Leona is mah support D:

Nunu needs a rework, just that noone can figure out how.....

Ryze might need another rework, or buffing. Him having to spam skills but having CC is an issue mostly. Damage is fine but CC with damage on no CD(when done right) is an issue.

Singed only gets buffs but just falls out of meta xD he probably needs a rework.

Sion needs buffs he only has early game.

Ziggs just needs buffs

Alas poor yorick, I knew him well. Wait who?

And idk why nid is on the list she's great atm.

charcharmunro2 votes

The biggest change Singed needs right now is an actual passive that could give him a more interactive playstyle.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Personally I would love if they reworked singed.

Passive- Every time he cast a skill his poison trail is active for 3 seconds, stacking up to 9 seconds of being active. Will slightly heal singed if he walks in it and slightly more when AA'ing a poisoned target, and the healing would only scale off mana.

Q-new skill, Not sure what it could be with the possibilities. Although personally would like it low CD as a utility skill, or just a poke tool, something...... Maybe have it toss your poison trail in a certain area, 4 second CD, 700 range/150 radius. 25 mana, And doesn't interrupt movement.

W- Same, however if you fling a target who has the adhesive debuff they're rooted and if poison trail makes contact it will explode for 20/40/60/80/100 damage and 2 seconds of "20/30/40/50/60(maybe?)" MS. Leaving the adhesive will keep the debuffs for 0.75 second, while being affected by the explosion doubles the duration. Mana will slightly increase damage, the size of Mega Adhesive, and duration of the debuff.

E-same.

R- New skill however will additionally have a passive regen 1% mana every 10 seconds while additionally once activated a %(maybe 10-20%?) of mana converts to a shield

I have no idea what the new skill for ultimate could be :/

That would still keep singed singed while making him a tad more interactive with choices made IMO.

Tell me your thoughts below!

charcharmunro1 votes

Thing is, you don't need to build ANY mana at all on Singed. If you want health, build health. RoA, MAYBE sometimes because it is a lot of useful stats. But there's no need to build any other mana items if you're smart with your Q usage and have a Doran's Ring. His base mana and base health lets him have about 2.2k health at max level, I believe, and as I said, he doesn't actually need the mana sustain. A single Doran's Ring can help him out so much, because his base mana regen is actually on the high side. So, honestly... All I think should be done is... Up his base health a bit, give him a passive that actually... Exists.

Chespin20131 votes

can confirm as someone who plays Singed he really just needs a new passive (NO FUCKING MINIGAMES PLZ)

Sypher The Poro1 votes

Akali Is currently played as a tank top and is stupidly annoying to play against. Tank Akali is so good it has become Pick/Ban in Korea.

Serika Zero1 votes

wait really? can I get a link to see that? She only has 3% pick rate in Korea http://www.op.gg/statistics/champion/ And under 50% win rate.

I play tank Akali too. But not like everyone else (which maxes E and gets Sunfire and titanic hydra). That build path is really weak for early and early mid game.

warpenguin5552 votes

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Akali Is currently played as a tank top and is stupidly annoying to play against. Tank Akali is so good it has become Pick/Ban in Korea.

I owned one with Blucian. But theres no way you win when you take on a Blucian so yeah.

Madra1 votes

Aatrox is a champion based around attacking fast and lifestealing. He's one buff away from being OP, and then comes the massive rework that turns him into Sion Mark II.

AHScoven1 votes
  1. You forgot Katarina, same as akali. Katarina
NommyPancake1 votes

You are wrong >:3

Yorick is not a champion because he's not in champion rotation >:3

Seriously though, I really think they need to do something and put him back to champion rotation.

No one is gonna spend 4800IP just to "try" a champion

warpenguin5551 votes

Xin needs some love, so lets overbuff him and make him Pick/Ban.

DeloricVI1 votes

Cassiopia is up for a rework, iirc, as well as Ryze...

Yorick is also hinted to have a rework coming up.

However, I really love the new Sion and it makes me sad to see nerf after nerf for a champ that wasn't even picked a lot after his major rework in the first place. I think I'm one of the only people that liked to play him before the nerfs, and after he's a really hard sell. I still love his kit and everything, but his shield is too easy to melt at most times of the game, his q needs other cc to work properly, and his mana costs on his e are pretty high. His ult is also hard to land; even pros will have trouble landing this thing sometimes, except at point blank range where the cc is pretty weak... who am I kidding? In this mobility meta, it's almost useless at close range.

You should also include pretty much all mages that are item dependent; the price hike on AP items is ridiculous, and this meta really favors AD because every AD item is super cheap now. This means Yasuo, Talon, and Zed have a huge advantage in the mid lane because a BF Sword is nowhere near as expensive as it used to be, but large rod has gotten more pricey, and the same pretty much applies to the items they build into.

And let's see where Xin was pre-rework... pretty strong, AD champion, known as Win Zhou in leagues up to gold, and can abuse the SHIT out of devourer. Yeah, totally needed some buffs.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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Champs that need love:

Aatrox Needs a shen-tier rework

Akali I'm glad I never see her, League is not fun when Akali is strong.

Cassiopeia Getting a rework this summer.

Galio Is really hard to master. People new to the champion have a 50% winrate with him. People with 125+ games on him have a 70% winrate. Now, Gallio will always have a 50+ winrate if he's balanced, because he only gets picked into magic damage teams that he counters, but 70% is still ridiculous. This guy doesn't need buffs, he just needs to be more fun to play.

Illaoi No comment.

Karthus Struggles in this meta. He's not that weak though.

Leona Is pretty fine right now. Just because she's not in every game like she was last season doesn't mean she's weak. I think she could use tiny numbers/QoL buffs, but I don't want to see "3 supports only (annie/leona/thresh) in bot lane" come back again.

Nunu He does have an outdated kit, but he's seen competitive play, so at least in a coordinated environment, his kit works. I think you massively undervalue the slow (and AS slow) on his ult. It's hugely useful as a peeling tool. That said, nunu is weaker vs assassins (stronger vs bruisers and juggernauts), so he struggles in this meta.

Ryze Blue skin smurf kinda had it coming. He, like azir, was incredibly difficult to balance so that he wasn't OP at high skill levels but was still playable for normal people. They're working on him.

Singed For one, I just want to say "out of meta" does not mean we need to buff them. Even if Riot made no nerfs or buffs, the meta would change as people adapted strategies that counter it, start using those, and then those become the new meta. Riot just changes balance so often you don't really see that happen naturally. Anyway, back to singed. I agree he's slightly on the weak side, but again, only slightly. He also has some game health problems when he's strong.

Sion Sion is pretty strong right now. He does have a few hard counters (fiora). Darius is not one of them, but he is a soft counter.

Sivir Not that weak. Once she gets the W buff, she'll be totally strong enough.

Ziggs If you want to have infinite waveclear farm fests in the mid lane again, ok, bring back ziggs. I remember what that was like, and it was not fun.

Yorick He's next on the list after Taric. Some time this year.

Nidalee Nid has always been useless unless she lands a Q. It used to be her ONLY damage and you'd only change to cougar form to jump to safety and continue chucking spears. Not saying nid is in the best place right now (shape shifters in general need some work), but she is much better than she used to be.

shyv1 votes

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Leona (when are we finally allow her to be a laner?)

all i want is to be able to proc my own passive :[

SnowFall1 votes

Urgot item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

GenghisEmo1 votes

Xin didnt need buffs imo. Too low skill to need em, now it is eaier to own low elo.

Ziggs, just not his meta. Poor guy. Towers so freaking weak no real strategic need for him. Still i see him. But nowhere near as relavent.

Ashe really needs love.

Sivir, havent see on in a month abd a half.

Most lanes seem less diverse. Might just be me, but i really do feel like it

Chespin20131 votes

Eh Singed is fine sure the thornmail nerfs hurt him but that hurt all tanks and bruisers. I say he is pretty strong but has a lot of counters that are meta which is why you don't see him as much not too mention he can be hard to play at times for newer players despite how easy his kit looks its actually a lot more difficult then its led to believe.

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