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Riot has intentionally forced Ranked to be decided by their matchmaking system

Lavaniel·3/19/2017, 9:26:59 PM·92 votes·22,014 views

RANT POST - SORRY IM SUPER SALTY AND CAN NO LONGER TAKE THIS

DISCLAIMER - I AM NOT PRO AND I DO MESS UP. However, I want an explanation for the people I have been matched with.

For a quick summary of my season 7 SoloQ rank - placed in Silver III and it took 225 games to get back to Gold. So an extreme grind. I have made it to promos to Gold 4 but I lost them, and once I lost them I went from neutral LP for wins/losses to 16 per win and 22 per loss. Mind you I have not been on a super loss streak, it has honestly been very back and forth but more on the losing side. I usually duo with my significant other Poptart, we have duoed since I started many seasons ago (in 3).

Now to further explain my point as to why Riot is intentionally trying to prevent climbing and duo-ing for that matter. It seems that the people that are on my team are living in the deepest depths of some form of intoxication. Now mind you, I'm no challenger pro. But I should not have to try so damn hard to carry 3 other people. Now I am done duo-ing, which sucks. I want to play this game with someone I trust. But to prove my point, I will give you the scenarios of the people in my games:

  1. Wukong mid. Feeds Varus mid. Renekton top sitting a 3k ping (no joke). Hecarim jungle walks to gank and could either jump to Soraka or Twitch with no flashes. Chases Twitch and doesn't even jump. Got confused when we told him to use E to catch people.
  2. Next game, Katarina runs into jungle over and over until the jungler is fed. Shaco jung leaves infernal drake to grab enemy minion camps, giving 3 enemies a free infernal. WE STILL WON, BECAUSE MY DUO AND I PLAYED KOG AND LULU WITH A COMPETENT NASUS AND WE CARRIED.
  3. This is my favorite. Xin jungle doesn't finish Tri force until 35 minutes in game. Panth decent. Ahri has no recollection of language, almost as if the guy is having a stroke while playing the game. Got confused when team asked him to come bot, but he went mid, insisting it was bot. Kept calling Kog'Maw a "red god" because if he stayed alive past Ziggs he would practically kill everyone. Other than that, the Xin and Ahri spoke no language that was understandable, I remember directly was: "me bot dragon team minion" or some gibberish of the sort. From Ahri. While we were killing nexus towers, the guy tries to go take red, and incidentally dies in a jungle by himself. http://imgur.com/NabIKTi
  4. Quinn states in chat that he would not be grouping all game, and instead just flew around the entire map until he ran into the enemy Ahri and subsequently died. their Jinx was afk for 15 minutes but team wouldn't group to win. Vi didn't understand how ult worked, and would hold it only to last hit champs. TF got mad when his blue card wouldn't stun.
  5. Get into lobby. Guy said he was put in low priority queue so he was just gonna AFK in game and was turning off chat. http://imgur.com/dVuC480
  6. Go into lobby. Guy offers to play Lulu but admits he has never played him but I was picking Kog now while my duo quits playing but he wanted to support me anyways.
  7. Naut ints and dies 13 times. Refused to quit pulling the first thing he sees.

IDK what is wrong with this matchmaking at this point, but getting....organisms of this sort every damn game (these are all from today and last night) is just indicative of a system. It is as if the super shit promo matchmaking accidentally got turned on for the whole queue, so people in promos are actually getting decent teams.

Riot needs to address MMR system, because it does feel random. At 1 LP I got an exclamation point over my rank telling me to win more games because I was currently shielded from demotion but would not be soon. WELL RIOT I'M TRYING, WHAT ABOUT YOU? If they don't want you to duo, then my god just say so. Make is purely SoloQ, but don't make matchmaking so freaking one sided. I am more than a number. I am more than a random set of variables, and so are people. We need more active participation in making sure matchmaking is creating quality games, not.................whatever I have experienced today. Stop trying so damn hard to demote people. If you playing as well as you can, then I don't see why this system is punishing me for trying to improve.

P.S. Downvote me if you want, but I just needed to vent. Thanks for taking it.

59 Comments

BALDG1VEN BOOMER3/20/2017, 12:03:31 AM19 votes

Lol trust me my experience this far and which most likely isn't going to change is win a bunch of games then lose a bunch of games.

I've been hovering around mid to high gold for some time and honestly every time I go on a large win streak I just fear the amount of horrid matchmaking that'll come next that'll make me drop. This season seems to be a lot worse in terms of matchmaking not sure if it's to do with auto fill or what but it's not fun what's so ever.

CarryingEbola5/6/2017, 5:31:06 PM7 votes

Yeah, this game is basically about luck. Pretty sure if I got a pro to "boost" my account for $100,000, they would quit after 5 games and maybe uninstall league forever.

FROScountered3/19/2017, 9:40:53 PM6 votes

Go on lolskill type your summoner name and search game while youre in a game . You can see the % of win for both team and actually make you a idea of how screwed youre or not . Most of the time its a 45 % against a 55 % with ppl who got 1 division + than the other team .[slayer-jinx-wink]

Arsenic Sulfur3/20/2017, 5:52:48 AM5 votes

When has it not? This was NEVER a game you could win entirely solo. You could be Faker, but if your team is a bunch of level 10s who only get minion kills because it was collateral damage from AoE spells, you're done. Been the case since the start, will be the case to the very end.

Yara03/20/2017, 3:32:26 AM5 votes

Yah i do all this solo qued..... i have also quit league recently because i find the boards more fun then the actual game now.

SilentBomber3/20/2017, 1:31:59 AM4 votes

I finally reached Silver 1 after 800+ games and countless loss streaks.I played 2-3 games vs last season platinum players and was fun.I did not care when i lost or won.

I got a respectful winning rate of 50.6%.Then, i lost 4 games in a row because of intentional feeders literally.In one of the games i got matched with a last season diamond player.He picked Fiddle mid vs a last season platinum Anivia.

In 10 minutes Fiddle gave 5 kills from lvl 2 to anivia and flamed our jungle.Later on he would intentionally feed and open mid for the enemy to win easier.

Now i got demoted again and expect to loss more games because it's always like this for me.When i get 2-3 inters in my team i expect a long loss streak.

ThePikol3/20/2017, 10:31:22 AM4 votes

I feel you bro. I got adc with 33cs in 25min game TWICE. 1/10 top Yasuo who try 1v1 enemy top laner over and over 0/6/0 adc, 0/5/1 supp, 0/7/1 top 2v5 game when only me (jg) and adc played 3v5 when my mid and top went afk 4v5 game where supp has better farm than adc despite farming only when def base My mid takes Jhin vs enemy kata mid. My bot (jinx + Lux ) lose to Soraka adc + Zilean

catgrill3/19/2017, 9:57:16 PM4 votes

Let it out man. I've been demoted from Silver 1 over 9 times now. Sure I've done bad several games, but compared to what my team does half the time. It sucks. I legit suck at adc, but most of my games, it's bot lane that loses hard for some reason, so I decided to adc and at least prevent the feeding from happening in the duo lane as much as possible :^)

NocturnalKernal3/20/2017, 12:54:43 PM3 votes

was about to post something along the lines of riot needs to either fix the way promos work(maybe 5 games) or either stop putting trolls on your team only when you get to promos. you think its bad in gold.... its absolutely positively impossible to climb even out of bronze 5 because every single game in promos you get an intentional feeder seemingly hired by riot to keep good people down. just had played one where a soraka not sure if was queued for support or not but they did nothing but roam around, avoid getting kills on targets that needed one auto then would go back in when the rest of the enemy team showed up. 1 and 11. ruined game and anyones chance of climbing. this happens every single time in promos in at least 2 of games. then once out of promos guess what! no trolls and easy win... back to promos back to trolls. and if you get so lucky enough as to face a team that also has troll for their person legit trying to climb and you make it bronze 4 then guess what. yup troll in your very next game and instant demote. riot refuses to fix this and instead grossly nerfs champs that had no issues(Aatrox you will be remebered as a hero).

rtbf2256182413/20/2017, 8:51:17 AM3 votes

Remove these retarded setback systems and make ranks actually presitigous like they used to be! The LP gains and losses are both too fucking high so they do this to make sure high elo is "high elo" when it really is not unless you're a goddamn Master/Challenger player.

Best Ekko NA3/20/2017, 12:59:28 PM2 votes

Just like I said in several posts, the issue lies in the placement system for new accounts.

  • Players who are winning their placements aren't playing games in Silver -- only players who are losing their placements (aka new player / bad player).
  • Number of "Level 30" accounts doing placements is really high for some reason. (I encounter one every few games).
  • Unranked Level 30 player feeds almost every single time regardless of which team it's placed on (sometimes enemy team gets it, freelo).

It's not a fair system for people that are actually playing in Silver. When you are in a Division you expect to be matched with and against players in your Tier / Division, not some new Level 30 / Bronze player who shouldn't be playing there.

The placement system is really fucked up because it actually makes it worthwhile for a Bronze player to spam create new accounts until he actually gets lucky and is placed in Silver. My real life friend has always been Bronze however he got carried on his new account in his placements and ended up in Silver. If the system worked from bottom up instead of the top down, he wouldn't have ever ended up there.

Skýcrow9/17/2017, 9:52:20 AM2 votes

Stop caring about ranked, it started to become more luck than in past season since season 6. Season 7 is even worser. Every class is getting nerft, items are getting nerft, costs are increased. Catch up exp to ensure you can't shut down or take over a game as a individual Player. I was Diamond 3, hovered between 5-3 in 800games and now i'm platinum 2. I keep loosing on my main. I keep getting solo kills, im outrotating my enemys, i'm smarter than anyone of those midplatinums, yet i keep loosing. So why do i loose? hm maybe because i somehow manage to keep getting Players that consistently feed in my game, making it impossible to carry. Well now 99% of people will tell me nah i'm delusional. But sorry it's like i said. It's more luck based than ever. If your team sucks, you better be prepared to start killing your enemys at minute 3 and somehow get 7kills in 10Minutes, to make sure you are taking over the game, or you gonna fall down with them ^-^ I gave up on ranked, i can legit tell you as a Diamond Player. your rank means nothing anymore. Also don't listen to the guys with the boost and pro stuff alright? Players aren't suppossed to be on a challenger level just to carry low diamond or low plat, or even silver gold. it's to teambased and every highelo Player will tell it to you. Go watch tarzaned number 1 rank season 6 jgler in na. He says the same. It's just that low elo Players are bad when it comes to getting updated from Pro's itself. Pro player isnce half a season say now that even challenger games feel like a flip coin, no matter how they perform, if their team sucks they loose, and that's like everyone feels. Catch up xp is probably the biggest reason for that.

LukoLoots10/25/2017, 7:32:03 AM2 votes

Dude, my experience has been: go into pre-ranked matches, mid feeds 10 kills in 5 minutes. Oh okay. Next game, top feeds 5 kills in 5 minutes. Oh, okay. Next game, supp feeds 12 kills in 7 minutes. Alright, guess I'm bronze now.

Sesuran12/3/2017, 1:30:49 AM2 votes

I feel your pain. I'm not always good at the game, so if I screw up, I'll admit it. I'm not a pro player, so I'm perfectly content with admitting my faults.

But holy crap, sometimes, I get the most retarded players on my team. It just seems like the system is deliberately working against me to keep me from climbing the ranks by pairing me with inexperienced or troll players. I know it sounds like I'm trying to make excuses for why I'm not higher in rank, but as i said before, I'll admit when I play badly.

When I'm constantly being punished for something that wasn't my fault, however, that's when it crosses the line. I used to be pretty decent in rank. I was hovering around gold 2 and gold 1, so I was in reach of plat. Again, a high gold or low plat rank isn't that good, but i was content with it. It at least helps me say that I'm semi-decent at the game. However, one day, it just seems like everything went downhill from there. I constantly get paired with trolls, feeders, or people who are straight up inexperienced, and it frustrated me whenever I was playing well, but couldn't do anything because the enemy team was fed. So I ended up going from high gold to silver 1, and it pissed me the hell off.

Since I'm also angry about this, I'll list just a few of the many different situations I got paired with to vent my frustration, as well. I got:

  1. An illaoi who refused to group and kept trying to get their inhibitor. She literally only grouped when the enemy team was finally in our base, after she unsuccessfully tried to get their inhibitor, by herself, about 9 times.

  2. A jhin who went 0/10 and barely ulted.

  3. A kog'maw who thought it was a good idea to keep sitting there and aa'ing enemy champs (when he had little to no damage) while simultaneously receiving damage until he died. Basically he just sat there and was hoping the enemy died before he did, which never happened, btw.

  4. A twitch who constantly let the fed tristana fully stack her bomb on him.

  5. A lucian who not only fed, but also kept on missing his ult. He even missed his ult on baron, a goddamn STATIONARY TARGET!!!

  6. An entire team who refused to listen to my mia pings EVER and subsequently fed my enemy laner.

  7. A jax who went 0/6 and a fiora who went 1/9. That game, I was 0/3, which is, of course, a bad score. But what could I really do when the enemy team was that fed? All I could do was die and wait for the ff.

  8. A yasuo, lee, and renekton who fed the enemy ryze until he was 17/0/10.

  9. A troll singed who went 5/19 and kept getting caught out and dying.

As I said, these are just a few of the many different situations I got while playing ranked.

I just wish that mmr was at least partially based on performance. However, I understand that making it entirely based on performance would be bad because it would cause people to play too safely out of fear of suffering a hit to mmr. That's why I think it should be partially based off of win/loss and partially based off of performance, and perhaps add in a few extra calculations.

Muted Summoner3/20/2017, 4:14:07 AM2 votes

I quit rank all together. For the past 2 or 3 years or w/e I have been in gold or g+ I've gotten crap champion skins or what ever. Its honestly not worth playing ranked anyways. Unless u are really good like some of those pro players or the top players then maybe yeah but even then getting picked into a pro team is pretty tough. You got guys who are in the top 100 probably better than bjergson or doublelift and never even got onto a pro team because luck.

Hell you could get picked for tryouts or some shit then lose because your team could be shit so you were so close but still so far away from even reaching pro. You could instead be using your great skill for YouTube vids. Look at people like magikarp or uh the clickbait guy who slept with underage girls in a country where its legal whose content honestly sucks so bad (worse than my grammer) he has to use league chicks in revealing and sexy outfits/etc to get views from the kids and thirsty nerds who are afraid of searching on league pron sites. Those guys honestly are average at best they can't even get into diamond and if they did they got carried. So if you are good like that imaqtpie or tyler1 you should be fine with a decent mic as long as you don't sound like quesymoto the hunchback of notra dame.

KVbqbFsC8e3/20/2017, 5:55:45 AM2 votes

Its not actually trying to demote you. You just got garb teammates. It happens, its something everyone has to deal with.

Zakt0n3/20/2017, 7:19:53 AM2 votes

Thanks again for your reply, just wanted to pass on my two cents that I really feel the overwhelming toxicity in 90% of games is due to the once per year auto-demotions. As well I think this causes a loss of many mature players that are not willing to play 100 hours to tread water...they want to compete at their own level even if they are away from the game for awhile. The math as I see is based on a 2/3s win percentage, losing 18-22 lp for the loss, gaining 14-18 for the two wins. So every 3 games/hours you go up 10 lp X 10 to go up one rank=30 games X 5 for the 5 ranks lost due to yearly auto-demotion totals 150 hours of grinding to get back where you were. For many of us this means 6-9 months of not very fun games to be allowed to play at our level for a couple months during the holiday season. This rough estimate of 150 hours does not include the promo games between ranks, which if you lose sends you back to 60-70 lp, whcih leads to 10 more games/hours. Or a glitch once or twice a year like the ones I just encountered which lost me 40 lp both times I believe, so 24 more hours. Anyways tried to be brief, it is rough to be approaching high silver, think a few more improvements might get you into gold, then getting auto demoted to low bronze, this is my 3rd season and it feels like the auto demotion system is preventing me from ever competing in S2.

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Vizulix3/20/2017, 11:27:07 PM2 votes

Same problem with me except I'm in Bronze where things are much worse. I've recently went on a large win streak and gotten to Bronze 3 from Bronze 5. I was in Bronze 3 99lp, then the loss streak began. After like 8 losses in a row I've been demoted back to Bronze V. The most infuriating thing though is that during those losses I always maintained a good KDA.

xNoHardFeelingsx8/28/2019, 5:48:16 PM1 votes

I have experienced something similar, check out my thread: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/euw/xNoHardFeelingsx

draecina3/20/2017, 3:57:30 AM1 votes

I was placed into silver 4 or 5 this season (ended last season gold 5 or 4). Then I started to duo with 2 different people and I climbed extremely fast to silver 2. Stopped duoing with them and I instantly get dropped back down to silver 4 (huge losing streaks..I think I had at least 13 losses in a row at one point). Then eventually I started to slowly climb. It's taking forever. I've played so many games. Finally just got into silver 1. I don't understand it.

Leon Etoile3/20/2017, 5:56:48 AM1 votes

Most of the stuff you are whining about has nothing to do with matchmaking though. Matchmaking is purely based on MMR; which you fuck up by "duoing".

If you are going to bitch about matchmaking: try remove as many exceptions as you can by queueing solo.

LawUrDepravdHart3/20/2017, 6:26:35 AM1 votes

What is your proposed solution for riot's matchmaking?

If you were designing the system how would you create it?

Spoofghoul3/20/2017, 11:44:17 AM1 votes

gold league in a nutshel

sobi9993/20/2017, 12:37:48 PM1 votes

Duo bot is like a must requirement if you want to avoid toxic games. I recommend that people atleast try to play with a duo bot or supp and adc find a duo before playing.

King Elliot1/30/2018, 8:29:19 PM1 votes

This game just needs to be based off of how well and individual person does, because in my last couple matches I sometimes the only person with kills and I end up losing because I cant 1v5 as a silver, note I don't think I'm the best but if I'm the only one doing good in every match I don't believe I should be in that elo.

vladbmb4/20/2018, 6:40:24 PM1 votes

This was last night for me, game after game of feeders and trolls. What really gets to me are the players that just ignore everything that's happening. After their jungler hecarim's 3rd gank (with a sona supp that saves ult till after i die everytime) their team groups to take our mid towers. My team doesnt react at all, jungler is just farming without a care in the world. They take 2 mid towers, i try to poke to delay it and die. They group and take the 3rd tower then inhib, I try to poke and delay and die. Then my team finally comes mid one by one to die :) This was probably the 10th game in a row I was losing so of course i'm agitated as all heck, trying my best every single game but the harder I try the more my teams feed and troll me. Then the jarv that was afk farming all game reports me and I get banned :D This game is a sort of hell in itself. It doesn't matter how good you are or how hard you try or how well you do. Not only will the game repeatedly put you with trolls but then expect you to keep your cool game after game after game of the same thing. After awhile there's nothing I can do about the game itself, or my temper. In the end there's no way for me to win as a player. I get punished with teams, then I further get punished by the game. If Riot could just delete both my accounts and save me from this hell they've created, I might be able to move on with my life. That is what they've done, created their own little hell.

oQDarcusQo5/27/2018, 1:18:29 AM1 votes

Yeap Riot force us to lose not because its about who u get in ur team riot make sure that u dont climb fast if u are good or bad, they always look after u when u win too many games in a row (Because u are so good for this elo), they keep putting feeders and afk players and flamers in ur team in order to take u down to lose the games u have won again and again and again no one will notice that at the first but when the same thing happen several times there is no way NO FKING WAY THAT HAPPEN BY LUCK. 100% im sure RIOT DO THIS ON FKING PURPOSE so this game is dead because this system lie to players and kill them

I keep in my brain always when i lose 2 games in a row after i won too much ik that riot now is folowing me in the next 5 games i keep trolling to make the games that riot wait me to lose finish faster so i can play freely again.

Her Chosen10/25/2018, 5:30:56 AM1 votes

This is very relateable, My last ranked games that I had with a buddy of mine, experienced that there was always people who spent too much time in chat flaming and complaining about how the game is unbalanced (AND IT IS!!!!) and soon went afk afterwards....... please riot, why me... why us.... I was simply trying to enjoy your game

shr00mking3/2/2019, 3:57:00 PM1 votes

Know what would solve this? Harsher punishments