Do ADC's even have to orb walk anymore?

Ben SwoIo··6 votes·2,629 views

This is not salt. I just barely EVER see ADC's do this anymore. They usually stand still and auto while being kept alive by the insane amount of healing / peels their team provides. They might move a position here and there, but it's definitely not orb walking. Is this even something an ADC player needs to practice these days?

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Mordepool7 votes

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Don't have to orb walk if you one shot everything.

Ben SwoIo1 votes

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Don't have to orb walk if you one shot everything.

Lol

Azadethe5 votes

Depends on the adc tbh.

High output per hit champs can stand still, especially Caitlyn Twitch MissFortune , but generally others can't. They don't generally need to orb if they go Lethal Tempo, but do if they go Fleet Footwork or Press the Attack. It's not advised btw...... because if it's secretly not a 1v1.... they're gonna die.

You'll notice they more or less stop Orbing when they are heavily fed and no longer have a need to. If you 1-2 shot the other adc, it's more or less irrelevant.

DW Diana1 votes

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Depends on the adc tbh.

High output per hit champs can stand still, especially Caitlyn Twitch MissFortune , but generally others can't. They don't generally need to orb if they go Lethal Tempo, but do if they go Fleet Footwork or Press the Attack. It's not advised btw...... because if it's secretly not a 1v1.... they're gonna die.

You'll notice they more or less stop Orbing when they are heavily fed and no longer have a need to. If you 1-2 shot the other adc, it's more or less irrelevant.

Upvoted on the basis you are one of the few that gave a valid response to the OP. Well done for not being an ass! xD

Ben SwoIo1 votes

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Depends on the adc tbh.

High output per hit champs can stand still, especially Caitlyn Twitch MissFortune , but generally others can't. They don't generally need to orb if they go Lethal Tempo, but do if they go Fleet Footwork or Press the Attack. It's not advised btw...... because if it's secretly not a 1v1.... they're gonna die.

You'll notice they more or less stop Orbing when they are heavily fed and no longer have a need to. If you 1-2 shot the other adc, it's more or less irrelevant.

Thanks

ReshiKillim4 votes

I would say yes, there is still a lot of value in doing it on a marksman, as it actually makes it a lot harder to pick them off for an assassin. Marksmen that aren't moving, are often a vulnerable target for most assassins, even with all the shields and peeling. Outside of a good Tahm or Braum, even a Janna or Lulu who's aware of the danger might not be able to save a marksman that's not moving.

At least, that's my experience as an assassin main.

HarrowR3 votes

Stop with the adc hysteria please for the love of god

Ben SwoIo3 votes

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Stop with the adc hysteria please for the love of god

What hysteria? It was a question and you're getting all butt hurt over it.

Hexs Fortune2 votes

Everyday another thread poking at ADC.

Riot already said they are working in changes during the mid season.

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ZackTheWaffleMan2 votes

Upvoted.

Ben SwoIo4 votes

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Upvoted.

Downvoted, I asked a question and people get all butt hurt over it. I didn't realize so many people were so sensitive towards ADC's.

Mizaya2 votes

It shouldn't be a question. Just watch literally any competitive match. ADC doesn't always have insanely tanky frontlines and supports that give massive shields all the time. If you stand still without protection you're a sitting duck to any competent team.

Ben SwoIo2 votes

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It shouldn't be a question. Just watch literally any competitive match. ADC doesn't always have insanely tanky frontlines and supports that give massive shields all the time. If you stand still without protection you're a sitting duck to any competent team.

I don't watch that boring crap in my off time. I'm asking for what the general population does, not the small percentage of high quality players. Their mechanics are going to be light years better than ours so comparing us to them is a bad example.

DestructoDave1 votes

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I don't watch that boring crap in my off time. I'm asking for what the general population does, not the small percentage of high quality players. Their mechanics are going to be light years better than ours so comparing us to them is a bad example.

If the ADC isn't orb walking you should be able to kill him. If you are dying to an ADC who is just standing there, he is so rediculously fed, and you are so weak, that it shouldnt even register as a complaint.

I get sick and tired of hearing all the bullshit around here about how hard ADCs are to kill, how easy they are. I mean I just watched A shen 100-0 Varus in the RNG vs EDG finals, WITH his support standing beside him, and all the Shen had for damage was a titanic hydra. Literally taunted him and killed him, by his support. A professional player. A tank with hardly any damage. I thought ADCs and supports together were OP?

And then you come to these forums and hear how people can't even kill ADCs on Assassins because of supports, how they dont orb walk, whatever.

If you are dying to an ADC that is just standing there, you are WAY behind, he is WAY ahead. And I mean WAY ahead.

Ben SwoIo1 votes

I still don't umderstand why ADC players are so touchy when most of the complaints are true anyway. Besides, I asked a simple question based on my observation of ADC's not orb walking in my matches.

Most of 'em stand and auto away and no, we are not WAY behind. I just got out bursted by a Kai sa who was BEHIND me as a Talon. THAT makes no sense. Again, she didn't have any need to orb walk. Stood completely still and bursted through. But hey, that's okay with ADC players right?

BTW, stop comparing us to pro players. It makes no sense.

DestructoDave1 votes

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I still don't umderstand why ADC players are so touchy when most of the complaints are true anyway. Besides, I asked a simple question based on my observation of ADC's not orb walking in my matches.

Most of 'em stand and auto away and no, we are not WAY behind. I just got out bursted by a Kai sa who was BEHIND me as a Talon. THAT makes no sense. Again, she didn't have any need to orb walk. Stood completely still and bursted through. But hey, that's okay with ADC players right?

BTW, stop comparing us to pro players. It makes no sense.

Well, Kaisa is the most busted ADC atm, and I ban her every single game.

And its because you guys bullshit and whine all day. Do you know what it feels like to face a Talon on Ashe? Varus? Hell damn near any ADC that isn't Trist/Ez/Kaisa? You are just dead. Should all Ashe/Varus/MF/whatever normal ADC mains complain all day about the various Fizz/Talon/Zed players who feast on them damn near every game they dont have a pocket Janna/Lulu/Soraka? Because that support Brand isnt exactly offering any counterplay.

Did you there are only 2 ADCs with a higher win-rate in your elo than Talon? Kai-sa and Jinx.

Its like you guys lose 1 game and you immediately come here to post bullshit. I mean is an ADC never meant to kill you in a game? No matter how stupid you play? No matter what his team is doing? I mean exactly how skilled are you just running towards them? So he stood there and shot you to death because he could? It sounds like you think you should just autowin anytime you get near one. Items/kits/skills be damned. Your an assassin player right! Its not only your job, its your RIGHT!

I tell you what. Start playing ADC. All of the people on this forum would apparently solve all their problems if they just mained ADC. But I already know the answer "But I like X champion. But I like X role. But the sun was in my eyes. The wind was blowing." The truth is you guys know its not as easy as it looks, and it can be incredibly frustrating, and 99% of your whining is just you being salty as hell because you lost a game.

Hell, it should be even EASIER for you to kill ADCs in low elo, since they aren't pros. They dont orb walk correctly, they dont play their champs correctly, they normally dont have teams that can play around them correctly, most of the time they probably dont even have a real support champion who can even peel, much less even try to peel, since everyone is always trying to make LCS Big plays.

And no, most of the stuff here isn't valid complaints. Its just circle jerking, whining, and salt fields after you lost a game in solo Q.

Ben SwoIo1 votes

And its because you guys bullshit and whine all day.

Sounds an awful lot like ADC players when they dont get their heals / every minion in the match / every kill.

Did you there are only 2 ADCs with a higher win-rate in your elo than Talon? Kai-sa and Jinx.

Oh so every other ADC is perfectly balanced? Right, keep tossing out win rates as if that's the sole indicator to a class / champ being balanced.

The truth is you guys know its not as easy as it looks, and it can be incredibly frustrating, and 99% of your whining is just you being salty as hell because you lost a game.

Do you just type stuff without thinking it through? I've played a lot of Draven and Vayne, it wasn't very difficult especially if I got a kill or two in lane. I don't know how you came up with 99% but that's delusional. There are a LOT of legitimate complaints in your precious ADC department that are valid right now, whether you like it or not.

They dont orb walk correctly, they dont play their champs correctly, they normally dont have teams that can play around them correctly, most of the time they probably dont even have a real support champion who can even peel, much less even try to peel, since everyone is always trying to make LCS Big plays.

That's the point of my question.....I don't see them orb walking anymore. They stand still and auto everyone to death while either being healed / shielded through damage or just flat out bursting the other teams damage. Just seems like orb walking is a lost art in this game and while the ADC role kind of got dumbed down.

You're also wrong about lack of peeling because most teams have something like Lulu Janna Alistar Leona Thresh which provide TONS of peel.

And no, most of the stuff here isn't valid complaints. Its just circle jerking, whining, and salt fields after you lost a game in solo Q.

Who made you the judge of that? There a TON of valid complaints going around. Just because YOU don't like them doesn't make them invalid or "circle jerk".

The Bearded Bard3 votes

Behold what happens when you cater to ADC mains: ADCs that no longer require you to have skill.

The best part is that it also makes people that do know how to orb walk damn near invincible with the right build and a good support.

Kyaza1 votes

I always try to keep moving, whether its in lane or teamfights. keeping mobile keeps me aware and constantly evaluating whats going on, also vayne q kiting feels so good in low silver/high bronze. (bound Attack move click to LMB)

Ben SwoIo1 votes

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I always try to keep moving, whether its in lane or teamfights. keeping mobile keeps me aware and constantly evaluating whats going on, also vayne q kiting feels so good in low silver/high bronze. (bound Attack move click to LMB)

Oh yeah, I LOVE kiting with Vayne. Feels good lol. But I've been seeing a lot of ADC players who just stand still and auto away while my team neither engages them or is unable to engage them. Just got me thinkin if orb walking is even a thing anymore since I don't see it very often.

Kyaza1 votes

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Oh yeah, I LOVE kiting with Vayne. Feels good lol. But I've been seeing a lot of ADC players who just stand still and auto away while my team neither engages them or is unable to engage them. Just got me thinkin if orb walking is even a thing anymore since I don't see it very often.

Ah, i mean when a Jhin or Draven can just chunk half your hp with one auto its not like they really need to kite. but I understand what you mean, In lane its walk up, auto, walk away, there is no real back and forth

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Depends on which ADC, how fed they are, and which support they have. But in the last year or so, its def. become much less of a requirement. Not that its hard or anything, its 2018 so your average gold player has mastered orb walking.

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