We have Atk Speed 
with extra dmg
We have AP 
with aoe and mana back + some movement speed
We have HP 
with aoe dmg and HP scaling
We have AD 
with cdr
Can we have something with Armor / MR /utility ? While not many there are some champions that while in the jungle i would appreciate them having a buildable armor/mr item rather than the flat hp item.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 voteshp makes you tankier to everything... armor makes you tankier to physical damage and there is no magic damage in the jungle... soooo get your jungle item and if you need armor buy an armor item
EndlessSorcerer1 votesHealth is the best defensive stat early-game after your jungle item (and before the enchant).
If you want both Armor and MR, consider rushing Zz'rot Portal first or second.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswell actually if they want armor/mr early i would rush a 
the earlier you get it the stronger it is and more good efficient it is
EndlessSorcerer1 votesIt is an option. I generally like having Zz'rot Portal early for sustain and the ability to stall a lost lane.
If one of your allies is losing lane rather badly, dropping your portal behind their tower will help prevent them from being shoved in and losing it.
They might get a little annoyed about it taking CS, but they are already losing rather badly if you needed to use it in the first place.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesyea but with an early ga you take high risk plays and not fear of dying cuz of the GA and maybe that high risk play can help that losing lane
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AkdayhV4,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-09T19:44:14.728+0000)
yea but with an early ga you take high risk plays and not fear of dying cuz of the GA and maybe that high risk play can help that losing lane
No, you still die a second later anyway. GA is for late game in teamfights (e.g., you win a teamfight but you died, but GA revives you and now you aren't dead for a whole 60 seconds).
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesless likely to die earlier with a ga then late. cuz damage is less early game and the tank stats from it would typically be stronger then the damage out put... so if you go you have hp armor mr and the passive of ga and you shouldnt die twice in a 2 vs 1 in a gank
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AkdayhV4,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-09T21:33:52.050+0000)
less likely to die earlier with a ga then late. cuz damage is less early game and the tank stats from it would typically be stronger then the damage out put... so if you go
This is so untrue, there is less damage early game but you have less health as well. The revive passive means the actual defensive stats aren't as strong as a Randuins or Spirit Visage. When you die, you can't move, and your killer is still alive and on top of you. You respawn with 300 health and die again, instantly, since the animation means the enemy has time for their cd's to come back up.
Unless you mean you're less likely to die since late game it's your only defensive item, but then why do you have it? If that's the case you should definitely have gotten your damage first.
Also health synergizes better with Cinderhulk since of it's +15% bonus health.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesThis is so untrue, there is less damage early game but you have less health as well. The revive passive means the actual defensive stats aren't as strong as a Randuins or Spirit Visage. When you die, you can't move, and your killer is still alive and on top of you. You respawn with 300 health and die again, instantly, since the animation means the enemy has time for their cd's to come back up.
Unless you mean you're less likely to die since late game it's your only defensive item, but then why do you have it? If that's the case you should definitely have gotten your damage first.
Also health synergizes better with Cinderhulk since of it's +15% bonus health.
i understand the passive of cinderhulk , but it was a theory of if you have cinderhulk you have some hp... and if you get GA early with the armor and mr stats it gives it makes the hp you have stronger due to the resistances of GA so and having the passive of GA early means you get to use it more often making the cost effectiveness of the GA better. and in a 2 vs 1 gank scenario you effectively are ganking as 3 vs 1 cuz you dont have to worry about dying cuz of the passive of GA and the player your ganking in that situation shouldnt be able to kill you with a GA twice and your laner your ganking for therefore making it more likely to get a successful gank
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AkdayhV4,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-10T00:04:40.044+0000)
i understand the passive of cinderhulk , but it was a theory of if you have cinderhulk you have some hp... and if you get GA early with the armor and mr stats it gives it makes the hp you have stronger due to the resistances of GA so and having the passive of GA early means you get to use it more often making the cost effectiveness of the GA better. and in a 2 vs 1 gank scenario you effectively are ganking as 3 vs 1 cuz you dont have to worry about dying cuz of the passive of GA and the player your ganking in that situation shouldnt be able to kill you with a GA twice and your laner your ganking for therefore making it more likely to get a successful gank
Ah, that makes more sense. Would be pretty good for diving, too.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthen you put it on a champ like 
[zombie-brand-mindblown]
