About the Vayne PBE Change

Sir Rouge··2 votes·631 views

I feel like the board is freaking out without even looking into it.

Here are the real full set of changes as of now :

Tumble (Q) : Bonus damage no longer crits. (no, there is no double W proc on Q, that is a bug) Silver Bolts (W) :

  • Bonus True Damage increased from 6/7.5/9/10.5/12% to 6/8/10/12/14%

  • Minimum Damage changed from 40/60/80/100/120 to 50/65/80/95/110 Final Hour (R) :

  • New Effect : ''While under the effects of Final Hour, Vayne is revitalized when enemy champions she has damaged recently are killed, healing for 20% of their maximum health (Vayne must have damaged an enemy champion within 3 seconds to earn the healing''*

I, for one, like these set of changes. They're not meant to be big buffs, they're meant to be in-between neutral and a slight buff. In reality, this mostly solidifies the strengths Vayne should and should not have :

  • She will have less damage vs squishy champions (the bonus damage on her Q can no longer crit, that's a big nerf to her burst vs squishies)
  • This will help her teamfighting, which she does need help with. She doesn't survive teamfights in high elo right now.
  • This will solidify her strength as a tank buster. If this is a tank meta, then Vayne should be in a better spot than this.

Note :

  • Maybe Vayne doesn't need help, maybe it's only more dominant picks that need to be brought down.
  • Maybe the numbers are too high (maybe her minimum damage on W shouldn't go up early game, maybe 20% of their maximum health is too much and maybe it should be within 2 seconds of dealing damage instead of 3, but these numbers are easily changeable).

However, these set of changes should happen IMO. I would love Vayne to not burst squishies more easily than other adcs while having a better niche. I feel like people are not giving this a fair chance.

5 Comments

Mizaya1 votes

Personally, I would rather like to see her Q animation time sped up or at least keep her champion hitbox consistent with the animation, instead of the ult buff.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

I still feel like people shouldn't try to duel Vayne. She should be able to solo kill an ADC. She doesn't have any AS steroids or AOE, so she should be rewarded for picking someone off.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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I still feel like people shouldn't try to duel Vayne. She should be able to solo kill an ADC. She doesn't have any AS steroids or AOE, so she should be rewarded for picking someone off.

Yeah, but in return, her teamfighting should be bad as well. She shouldn't get buffs to make her teamfighting good, but still be able to 1v1 easily, even if she doesn't have AS steroids or AoE.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

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Yeah, but in return, her teamfighting should be bad as well. She shouldn't get buffs to make her teamfighting good, but still be able to 1v1 easily, even if she doesn't have AS steroids or AoE.

Her team fighting is bad if your team knows how to focus because she doesn't have enough range to get free AA without being right in the action.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Ult heal is incredibly stupid, Vayne has been perfectly fine and since the Q and W changes are mostly a power shift and not a real buff/nerf there is no reason to give her a HUGE buff on top of that.

Vayne's teamfighting isn't supposed to be good either, it's supposed to be risky as hell due to short range. Being able to flat out melt the tanks who she's supposed to be kiting is not a good thing.

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