Was Stashu fired or is he just ignoring the Cassi playerbase?

Unpopular agreement, she feels great.

Pain in the butt to play against though

I've played old pre-rework Cass ONCE (so I may be a bit biased in opinion)

But I do like new Cass.

Things I enjoy: Q doesn't do a lot of damage in the laning phase, but because E gives me infinite mana (refund+3% max mana on last hit), I can spam it in lane infinitely to harass (and get stacks).

lategame powerhouse. E does like 300-500 dmg 2 times per second. That's like an ADC with 2.0 attackspeed, 200 AD, an IE, with 100% crit chance. And it's magic damage and MR itemization is a lot weaker (and it can't be thornmailed either cause it's a spell). her Q also does a lot of damage lategame. 1 Q on the enemy ADC is about 70-80% of their max hp. She tears apart everyone lategame. it's like Kog'maw, but with an actual self-peel mechanism (the aoe stun ult).

Things I don't enjoy: The passive works in spikes rather than ramping up the ap based on each stack. stacks 1-99 don't feel like anything, and stack 100 feels impactful, but not by much. Pre 250 stacks, she feels slow. Post 250 stacks, you start shredding everything apart.

Her E CD reset seems awkward for laning. It's a flat 5 second CD if you last hit for the mana. perhaps I'm used to Annie Q which does refund some CD (or Karthus/yasuo Q which just has a low CD for last hitting). Poisoning the minions doesn't help because early on, the poison damage (and E damage) isn't enough that I can Q the casters then E each one of them once and be done with it (that comes when I reach that 250 stack midgame powerspike). I guess this is kind of a balance thing to make cassioepia not obnoxious. She scales into waveclear rather than starts out with enough damage to waveclear. Which is balanced as there is only one mage who naturally deals enough damage to clear waves solo ever since the Gragas 70% damage to minions nerf. (That mage is Singed)

Early game all-ins (and early game teamfights) suck as Cass. You go oom because of the small mana pool and all you can contribute is E spam (for a glorious 2 seconds cause mana pool) and a slow. You can't just regen the mana like in lane cause there usually aren't any minions to last hit during a skirmish. I'm guessing this is supposed to be a weakness that players will eventually find out and exploit to deal with Cassioepia's strong laning phase.

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Just out of curiousity, what has the Cass playerbase been asking for recently? Once she got her last "updates" they pretty much went silent as far as I could tell.

Idk about anyone else, but the stacking passive has to go. It's not fun, it's not engaging, it's an arbitrary gate to a ball of stats and doesn't fit at all with a poisonous snake.

Her fang is ridiculously overloaded and when asked to buff her lack luster poisons, riot "Corrupt A Wish" Stashu loaded a poison buff on her fang as well. She's a one trick pony now.

Her poisons barely tickle. I guess it's riot's way of "promoting diversity" by completely gutting a play style.

Still just a shit rework spray painted gold by number buffs that silenced the masses.

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Just out of curiousity, what has the Cass playerbase been asking for recently? Once she got her last "updates" they pretty much went silent as far as I could tell.

They went silent because once she became powerful, every Cass thread had loads of people that didn't play her downvoting them and saying "she's already broken what the fuck more do you guys want". Everyone started attacking Cass players for "wanting her to be broken" when we were all aware she needed nerfs, and just wanted her to be more fun rather than more powerful.

Balance wise she is for the most part fine, if not a little overpowered.

The problem is that she isn't a poison mage anymore, she's a walking machinegun with her E, an ADC mage, and it isn't fun to play.

This shit again... She lost a "playstyle" that never actually existed in the hands of anyone proficient with her. It was more of a course correction on Riot's part.

Things I've seen or heard:

• Kit doesn't feel poisony enough, too much power budget spent on E
• The E poison damage amplifier didn't really make the poisons feel stronger, and it's hard to read
• Passive feels very mechanical, is just a ball of stats
• The recent fix to AP %scaling multiplication really hurts Cass late game
• There's no variety in build orders with New Cass
• I thought the rework was about Cass being a lane bully, she still bullies lanes awful hard

Yeah I'm reading these comments and thinking this. Her old playerbase really should give up because regardless of how loud they are there aren't enough of them to justify reworking a reasonably well balanced champ with new fans. I think they're right, but it's a lost cause.

wasn't karma reworked before zed was released? I can't remember.

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So you guys are asking for less rampant E spam, and to pretty much scrap the passive, or find a rework for it to fit, and then you want her actual q and w poisons to do the damage, right?

You are mostly correct. We don't mind E spam, we mind that E spam is currently her only effective play style now. Her E has too much of her kit's power concentrated into it and that needs to be redistributed. Her kits is about at about Q:5%, W:5%, E:75%, R:15% in terms of power balance where in a well balanced character, the numbers should be roughly equal, give or take a little. E should be stripped of most of its bells and whistles and brought back to the simplicity it had pre-rework. Q and W, as you said, need to have their power returned so that you can actually be an effective player if you decide to max one if them prior to E. The passive just needs to be scrapped entirely. It's not fun, it has no player interaction, and it doesn't even have a thematic feel like other similarly gating passives such as Syndra's or Bard's. It simply exists to inconvenience Cassiopeia until a certain point in the game. Cassiopeia just needs a new passive or a more involved rework if her kit is unbalancable without the passive its a simple as that.

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Once people realized how much stupid damage she does all the whiners shut up real fast and started to collect their freelo.

Not how it went at all. The whiners didn't shut up, we were told to shut up by people like you.

Threads stopped appearing once it was obvious they wouldn't gain any traction anymore. No point making a thread just to get downvoted and told "she's OP that means she's fine" repeatedly.