I really don't understand the balance methods in this game.

DOUBLE TAPPED E·9/21/2019, 6:38:55 AM·34 votes·12,775 views

Seriously, if a champion is "uneperforming in high Elo" coughRivencough why don't you slightly nerf the counters to that champion instead of buffing the champion itself? Wouldn't that have the same effect without increasing the damage in the game even more? (Which seems to be the most commonly cited issue with the current state of the game as a whole.)

I refuse to believe that the balance team at Riot is not intelligent enough to come up with this idea on their own, so what is the explanation, aside from "to sell the new Riven skin"?

31 Comments

True Garen9/21/2019, 7:04:45 AM27 votes

That's okay, neither do the designers.

Moody P9/21/2019, 9:57:54 AM10 votes

Why would you nerf multiple champions if you want one to be stronger?

DalekZec9/21/2019, 9:55:15 AM9 votes

"you don't need to play the game in order to design it."

If the balance team truly plays the game, they: 1- wouldn't come up with stupid ideas 2- they know but are just biased to themselves or to their "idols"

Crispy0Snake9/21/2019, 9:51:38 AM8 votes

If you nerf her counters, then wouldn't their winrates vs all other champions suffer?

Plus they might be strong for a specific reason like Renekton is strong because his Fury Empowered W procs Press The Attack in one ability, or you can just auto->non empowered W

SiG DxD9/21/2019, 12:58:45 PM4 votes

cough prestige cough

MaskedMadness9/21/2019, 3:57:09 PM2 votes

for the most part. nerfing someones counters brings the issue into now this champion is weak so do we nerf all their counters. and the loop continues.

Janakin9/21/2019, 2:17:11 PM2 votes

As someone from Riot said some time ago: "buffing champions feels better than nerfing them".

ModAcademy Kayn9/21/2019, 5:50:53 PM2 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/cf9214b42f8ee45ba5d73a29c58f49c0.png

I mean, considering that Riven's primarily played by Mains, even for a high skill champ, barely hitting 48% is kinda reflective of being weak. And nerfing other champions only works if they're the reason why Riven is down in the dirt, and like BigBrainSuppMain said, nerfing other champions to improve the winrate vs one champion, only is going to hurt ALL their match ups, not just improve Riven's.

You're not thinking far enough in repercussions of nerfing others to buff a single champion, especially when counters do just naturally happen. They could be in a perfectly fine place against other champions, and yet you'd nerf them for no reason just because they do better against Riven? C'mon, you have to realize how that sounds like. I think the reason that Riot hasn't come up with this idea on their own, is because they're intelligent enough to realize it's a bad idea.

Shleelpboy9/21/2019, 10:23:23 PM2 votes

There no such thing as a balanced team... look at Pyke!

Summoner SpeII9/21/2019, 5:51:16 PM1 votes

riven is garbge tier imo, im a masters tier top laner and riven is a joke of a champion atm. the proposed changes will not even bring her close to her old status, which was my personal permaban.

Wolfeur9/22/2019, 11:12:18 AM1 votes

why don't you slightly nerf the counters to that champion instead of buffing the champion itself?

Because that would cause a lot more disruption to those champions' match-ups. For Worlds, I don't think they'd want that.

Mihalikb9/21/2019, 4:28:59 PM1 votes

The game is not intended to be balanced. There's a rotating cast of Flavor of the Month Champs that Rito likes/which sell skins who will be balanced around dominating SoloQ and being really good in pro play.

There's about 30 Champs at any given time that are OVERPOWERED enough to be played in pro games, and another 20 to. 30 or so that are decent in SoloQ.

The ADC roster in pro play is literally 5 Champs at this time. Kaisa (who should be nerfed into the ground and her kit gutted) Xayah, Tris, Jihn and Cait. There's the odd Lucian, MF, Vayne when everything is banned or team comp asks for it.

9.19 is clearly intended to boost Riven and Fiora skin sales. That it will break the game, is irrelevant to Rito.

Also, who looked at Mordekaiser and said... That champ needs more sustain!? Especially after they gutted Aatrox's sustain for the same reason they will have to gut Mordekaiser's sustain in 3 to 6 months. It heals too much. But meanwhile they'll push out a skin, put some old skins on sale and make a buck.

That it's unhealthy for the game? Who cares?

jng dif victim9/22/2019, 8:59:01 AM1 votes

Renekton is riven's counter . u want more renekton buffs?