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The "Keep it Tight" System

Caytheles··1 votes·2,494 views
Ranked being Corrupted. Riot plz help.

Because many of you were complaining about my System being AWFULLY BAD i came up with a new idea. What if riot introduced this as a "Safe Entry System" Where you can have your original Queue and you can have this one. This one being an Option to use. it would give you a Warning before you enter of the rules and policies. if you decide you wish not to continue with this type of queue. you wait the day you lost then the next day simply enter Ranked through "Normal Ranked Queue" instead of the "Keep it Tight system". remember this is simply a suggestion. i am suprised so many people are so hateful toward it.

I recently made a board where i shared my ranked experience with you Fellow Summoners. Link will be available. But i think i found a solution. i call it the Keep it Tight System. it Contains Three main components.

1: The Keep it Tight System

2: No runes? Hit the Dunes! System

3: The AFKrug Test.

This system will give a limit to how many ranked can be done per day or per week. if riot allows it they will make the changes.

So lets say your new and wanna go blindly into ranked. but you lose it because you didnt have what it takes.Well with the Keep it tight system. you would need to try the next day in order to do another ranked.

These are basically the rules 1st game: Win, get another try Lose, Gotta wait

2nd game: Win first game and This one? You permenantly gain access to Two Ranked games per day because of your win streak. Lose this game after winning first one? then you dont get the second game per day bonus added to your account.

3rd Game: Win all three games? You permenantly Gain access to Three Ranked games per day because of your win streak. Lose this one but win the first two? Then you need to wait next day and third Game per day bonus not added. but you keep the Two game per day bonus for it is permenant.

This would be the Proving grounds. so if you are good then no need to worry you will soon be rewarded with so many Ranked wins it will be how it is now. this system would be to separate the newer players and to let them train in normals.

Adding on. to this. Another part of the system would be "No Runes? Hit the Dunes!" System. you would need 3 full rune pages. Wouldnt completely solve the problem but i think it would help.

Another Part of the Keep it Tight system would be the "AfKrug test"

You must be clear of any Leaves a week Prior to going into a ranked game.

38 Comments

Nucleophilic atk3 votes

So, basically if you get an afk, you are fucked? How about we just don't allow players to go into ranked without runes and masteries, and without at least 10 games with a champ in normals?

Caytheles1 votes

The Keep it tight System, The "No runes? Hit the Dunes" System, the MMR IP Calculator,. together they make a security for ranked players also they would need to be clean from afk in normals for atleaste a week prior to going into a ranked game. it fixes most things. I WANT RIOT TO SEE THIS!!!

Nucleophilic atk5 votes

I'm sorry, but I would much rather not be limited to 1 ranked match a day if I was unlucky and got a troll in my game. No thanks.

Caytheles1 votes

You got the skill? your a gold player so you dont have the worst peeps. read carefully. you arent limited to one a day. You can permenantly add more ranked games per day by getting Winning streaks. srsly. Read the rules.

Nucleophilic atk3 votes

Lol, false. I constantly get trolls. I would rather not be unable to play ranked because of one. Sorry, but this would never go into practice, and for good reasons.

Caytheles1 votes

The trolls would only get one game aswell. chances are they already did their damage sadly. so they wouldnt be able to hurt youl.... Spart people would wait till the end of the day to start playing ranked... or really early to avoid these trolls.

nUcLeAr KeTcHuP3 votes

Like I said previously,

This will solve nothing. ranked is competitive play.

There has to be a user base that, for lack of a better word, are bad players. Without them, the good players would not shine. Yes, what you are suggesting may lead to better game quality, but it will also hurt alot of newer, unskilled players. You are allowed to be unskilled, as long as you are trying. That is not a bannable offense.

You are frustrated because you happen to be unluckily placed on their team a high % of times. Riot acknowledges this, but with their growing user base they know there is no way to fairly solve this. playing more games will help to balance out your luck, and stabilize your skill.

On the other hand, people who leave, troll, and purposely lose are definitely NOT trying. They need to be reprimanded first and foremost.

This will solve nothing. ranked is competitive play.

There has to be a user base that, for lack of a better word, are bad players. Without them, the good players would not shine. Yes, what you are suggesting may lead to better game quality, but it will also hurt alot of newer, unskilled players. You are allowed to be unskilled, as long as you are trying. That is not a bannable offense.

You are frustrated because you happen to be unluckily placed on their team a high % of times. Riot acknowledges this, but with their growing user base they know there is no way to fairly solve this. playing more games will help to balance out your luck, and stabilize your skill.

On the other hand, people who leave, troll, and purposely lose are definitely NOT trying. They need to be reprimanded first and foremost.

Please support this, something I feel needs to be done much before any system like yours is put into place

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/wsAuQlXx-riot-logic-giving-leavers-lp-penalty-messes-up-system-deleted-twice-cause-of-truth

Caytheles1 votes

first off... The System wouldnt ban you completely. would just make you train harder in normals and do your homework for ranked. it is in no way a punishment. and ive seen that link If we were to combine the Ideas of the other commenters here and The system on the Leavers IP Penalty . then ranked would be more proffesional.

Fefnil2 votes

Mmh... this method effectively values wins and losses, but I think it's not all about it. I mean, you can play well and lose, or you can play bad and win anyway. You can be the best support ever and have your botlane super-fed, but the other team has top, mid and jungler fed and you can lose anyway. Or the opposite, you can have a very bad game and be carried anyway. And I'm not talking only about fights, I'm talking about fights, objectives and every other strategic play. Ranked should calculate lp and mmr differently: if you win or lose you get or lose lp, if you play well or bad you get or lose mmr. You can play well but lose the game and lp, but still get an increase in mmr so that next game you are matched with people at better average level. That's my thought about ranked.

Caytheles1 votes

very well said. However, if you got the skill you will get that win streak in no time. allowing you to play 3-4 ranked a day if you play it right. also people would be more careful when going into ranked. sooner or later Summoners will be so focused that they would be able to play normally because they aquired 10 win streak or even higher. maybe both of our systems can be incorporated?

Hirok02 votes

Taking people out of ranked play for a day will effectively destroy ranked que times and upset players. Limiting ranked plays by # of game/day is just bad. Restricting access because you left a game that week is just bad.

None of this 'personal score' bs. 0/50 is a great score if the trade was better for the Team.

The only somewhat reasonable point is rune pages. Even then, restricting play is just bad. Imo, it should only give players a pop up notification saying "Hey! You have no runes! Why not grab some before you play?" and then give you the choice to play anyway or go get runes.

Caytheles1 votes

Please share with me what you think. i tried to make the (Item Level) rankings from WoW and cape up with this.

SmknWdl1 votes

It should be based off of personal scores... that way I could go 15/7 as a shyvana top lane, but my teammates go 3/8 and we lose because of an afk, but still be accepted into the ranked because I had done well... gotten three towers and won lane.

Caytheles1 votes

Personal scores in my oppinion are a waste. imagine how bad it will effect you if you play ranked and the team intentionally feeds? then they are able to dive towers and completely make you useless. this is why i dont accept personal Scores because sometimes your team makes the scenerio impossible.

SmknWdl1 votes

Yeah i guess so... but i mean there needs to be at least like a couple of leniency games... like one bad score can be chosen to not count for the day.

Caytheles1 votes

i would prefer to leave it as is. But i guess starting out with 3 ranked a day would be sufficient. i prefer one because sometimes people have connections in higher elos. one plat taking over the newer players game and one plat in a smurf account. This System would atleaste make chances of getting completely carried by higher elos less effective. just remember. lets say you have the 4 win streak bonus... dont matter if you lose all 3 and win 1. you wiill still keep your 4 games a day. however. i think adding a 7 loss streak rule should be applied. Where if you lose 7 games in a row. You will lose 1 day from your games per day. can be gained back by gaining a win streak again... but thats just me being selfish ^-^

SmknWdl1 votes

Yeah i guess... both systems work. I mean I usually find that after 3 ranked games i start to lose focus... so maybe this is a good system here. But idk it could just be me getting impatient with myself for being stuck in bronze :p

Caytheles1 votes

When the trolls lose their game.... that is it for the day. you can easily unlock the 2 game a day playtime if you pick your cards right and Play to your best.

SmknWdl1 votes

True true... Interesting system.... although i think to reduce trolling the ranked should have a hybrid of draft pick and team builder, where everyone chooses what lane they want before hand, then fill teams hosted by someone who chooses what lanes to have... Except once both teams are full then it goes to normal draft pick and the banning begins. This way we don't get "top or feed" but we still have strategic counter pick mechanics.

Caytheles1 votes

Draft pick is pretty good as it is now. however another possability would be a "Pre Game Forfeit" where aftger every champ is picked the team can choose to surrender. this would be abit less complicated and wont count as a loss. will just put you all back in queue. Does that sound good? i want your opinion

SmknWdl1 votes

It actually sounds like a great idea. This way, the mid or feed and top or feed would be dealt with... although i think the hybrid draft and team builder is a good idea because it prevents the top or feed at all... thoughts?

Caytheles1 votes

Both ideas are effective. But their needs to be a leader in the hybrid method. what if the leader is a Troll? the fate of the team in game depends on one persons thoughts of a comp? i am not downing your idea.. it has its comps. i prefer the GG at Minus Method as i like to call it due to the WHOLE team deciding on the fate of the team. what if the leader picks Full ad team with no tank.. and the enemy team has Taric the team would see past the Thornmail possabilities and simply vote to surrender at Minus. i would like your thoughts now :)

SmknWdl1 votes

There should be a vote to replace the leader with a new one if his picks are bad. Also you could include the vote to surrender before the game starts option, or simply a vote to disband the game. Agree or disagree? It's like blending both methods, and taking a pick new leader idea from a different online game I play occasionally (not like league at all but there is a leader for groups that can be repicked if he's shitty )

Caytheles1 votes

Really nice. though seems like were complicating it no? we dont want people to get bored before the game starts XD gonna say your method would be very effective.. but i would prefer their be no leaders, it would take too long if you needed to assign but if riot reads this then they will get your concept. once again. love your method. so not trying to downgrade it in any way. now...RIOT PREEZ VIEW THIS OVER!!

SmknWdl1 votes

Yeah you're probs right it would take too long... There should still be an option for it i think. So like the classic option and the other option.

43161549_DEL1 votes

Your entire system is based off of wins. Let's look in my match history from yesterday. Their was Darius game I should have won, dominated top lane, bot lane won. mid lane fed to all hell. Had a 2v1 pressure on me the majority of the game so other lanes could push. WE LOST. they had 2 or 3 open inhibs. But we lost. One person feeding the fuck out of someone Lost us the game. Was that our fault? NOPE hell I roamed mid a lot to help with this uber fed person, Meant shit all. So just because someone on my team fucked us I shouldn't get another game today? That is so wrong. just SO WRONG.

Ok I won a game today in ranked. Darius again. Dominated lane AGAIN. 2v1 lane AGAIN. Bot lane decimated. mid lane did decent, (lux v ziggs) . We won this game because are team worked together while they raged at their jungler. We won because while I pressured the open top inhib, our adc pushed bot through to inhib turret, and our mid laner along with support and jungler pushed to inhib turret mid,. We all rotated, I took out bot turret and inhib with graves while the three mid went top to take that one.

Did I play any differently that game then I did the game yesterday? Nope, we just didn't have a feeding mid laner. THAT WAS ALL THE DIFFERENCE WAS. I agree the ranked system needs to be revamped, make it so that you can Gain OR Lose mmr and LP from Winning OR Losing. However, what you are saying just does not work out. I have dodged ranked games to not deal with toxic people, should I lose my one ranked game of the day then? NOPE.

Another Point. 3 rune pages? Yea sure I have them. Cause I spent RP to buy a third one and spent a shit load of IP between S3 and S5 buying runes knowing I was gonna make set rune pages before hand. It takes a shit load of time to do this though, you should have a minimum of ONE full rune page. Possible a minimum of TWO full rune pages. No more then that.

AFKrug test, dodging a game to play with a friend who JUST got on, dodging to not deal with trolls. those two things count as leaves in riots system. Therefore no-one would EVER be playing ranked EVER. Even in plat and up you get people like trolls, so you would dodge some games.

Your system could be good IF you didn't punish players so hard in it.

PressW for Wumbo1 votes

There are numerous problems with the logic of this post, and this "system" doesn't address the actual problems within the ranked community.

First off, you the rules for "keep it tight" are counter intuitive for any video game company that wants to keep its player base. This would be punishing players (1 day ranked restriction IS a punishment) for reasons that are likely (or in part) out of their control. Your counter-argument to this has been "read the rules, if you're good enough then you'll unlock these games." However, you have to realized that the majority of the time you're playing against people of your relative skill level. This leads to an overwhelming lack of large winning sprees with respect to the overall playerbase.

The next part of your idea is just as problematic. 3 rune pages? that takes a HUGE amount of time to accumulate that kind of ip to fund that, especially with changes in styles and meta across seasons. Not only that, but I made it to mid gold last season on my smurf (this account, main is Sax Man 10, which is sadly lower than this one at the moment) with only 2 rune pages, which weren't even complete or "good" pages, and am now almost plat with the addition of 1 page. To emphasize this, I have a friend from my university that mains support and made it to diamond with just 2 pages (skillwrecks, he just bought 2 more pages with the latest sale). So basically, time/cost of this is ridiculous, and the 3rd page isn't completely necessary. Now realize I'm not saying that it's good for people to join ranked w/o runes, but if you're running into people on your team that don't have any, then it's likely you will run into enemies of the same status.

As far as the last point I see where you're coming from, but again it doesn't actually address the issue. Moreover, they already have a leaverbuster system that detects frequent leavers as well as a report function. If anything, the importance of reports should be emphasized because I believe many people don't think that it has an effect. On top of that, this idea doesn't take into account internet disconnects or real life emergencies (not common, but still possible), and an entire week ban is pretty excessive for 1 leave, especially if it is unpreventable.

Going into specifics of your situation: You've lost your last four ranked games (according to lolking profile) and I can understand why you are upset. However, in the games you lose you tend to feed pretty hard especially for a tank. Being a tank doesn't necessarily mean "run into enemy team hoping they will use stuff on you." You're a support and should be peeling when you're behind, not engaging. Also, exhaust + ignite on immobile champions is a huge factor in your high number of deaths. Flash is almost a necessity for both engages and disengages/escapes. Other than that, i like your reference to Don Quixote in your rune pages!

Overall, if you're proposing a system you need to be much more in-depth, explain why it would work, where it might fail (and then how to solve that problem if it were to arise), and the dynamics of possible benefits. Your post wasn't really constructive and most, but rather a short term solution to your personal situation.

Caytheles1 votes

Reason for my high deaths is due to Enemies being strong enough to dive while im the only one defending, you know how it goes sometimes.

Caytheles1 votes

I understand emergency happen. So what is one week? let their minds cool off for a week. they can do norms. however i do have an idea on how to make my system acceptable

Starcall Casey1 votes

I'm sorry but this system is just so dreadfully bad! This solves nothing when it comes to actually climbing the ladder and improving. This just limits the amount of times a person, good or bad, can even play ranked, This destroys the concept of climbing and just spits in everyone's face. Maybe think of an actual system for more then 10 minutes before posting onto the boards.

Caytheles1 votes

Please tell me how i can improve it instead of spitting out words from your ass :D would appreciate.

Starcall Casey1 votes

That's the thing, This system needs to be scrapped instead of improved apon. You need to start from scratch and think long and hard about what you think will actually improve the ranked experience for all players and not just some or even none. Adding unique mechanics/features to the ranking system that would benefit all players is what everyone wants. Nobody wants to hear about a system that can potentially restrict them or punish them for just playing the game, good or bad. Here's some Suggestions to get the ball rolling; Adding IP bonuses for having a high kill participation, getting higher LP gains for being a positive influence on your team or for going on win streaks. This is all just scratching the surface on what can be suggested to riot.

Newb the Legend1 votes

3 full rune pages? I would honestly have it at 2

Caytheles1 votes

You are right :D since we start off at 2 atleaste filling them up would be enough. Thanks for your input

Caytheles1 votes

Ofcourse their are flaws in my system. this is a suggestion. i would rather like ways to improve this system instead of simply telling me "This is just bad" Please be more mature like the first commenters and get your heads out of your asses.

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