Losing more than gaining

Statikin·Sep 27, 2016·1 votes·345 views

Now I'm in the trash tier. Bronze 4 to be exact. I recently climbed out of B5, and out of the three times I had climbed to B4, I've noticed a very similar pattern of LP loss/gain. In bronze 5, I usually earned and lost a steady and reliable 20 LP, give or take a few and rarely there would be a few outsiders (like winning 25 or losing 10). However, EVERY game I have lost/won in bronze 4 have given me terrible LP ratios. I've been getting 8-14 LP for a win consistently and losing a whopping 22 LP whenever I lose. What's even stranger, is that my friend, who is in Silver 5, only lost 16 LP for the game that I lost 22 for. If he is in a higher rank, why should he lose less? And if it's about MMR, I've seen him play and he is generally better than me... Reasons?

4 Comments

ShinkoMinoriSep 27, 20161 votes

if the game thinks you should be rank higher, it helps you by increasing your gains and lowering your losses, happens the other way too

SandrahySep 27, 20161 votes

It means your hidden mmr is pretty bad. I'm not talking about " because you're bronze" bad but.

No matter what elo you are, if your hidden mmr is lower compared to your current standing, you lose more than you gain, because the game considers your mmr to "not deserve this elo".

Like if your mmr is higher than your current elo, you will gain more. How it works, don't really know... But I know that having a higher mmr can also mean skipping divisions, earning a LOT of LP etc. So what I'm saying is that your mmr compared to your current division is probably still b5, not b4, and the game probably thinks you don't deserve b4 (sorry, it's the system not me ; - ; ..)

I checked you up on OP.GG, and your winrate is below 50%, meaning because of this poor winrate, its harder to climb, due to the fact it shows if someone is good enough for their division etc.

Say someone was boosted from silver 3 to gold 4, and they continue playing ranked by themselves and continue to lose because they aren't on their own skill level. First their winrate will drop, and then the amount of LP gained/lost will change drastically.

StatikinOct 5, 20161 votes

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It means your hidden mmr is pretty bad. I'm not talking about " because you're bronze" bad but.

No matter what elo you are, if your hidden mmr is lower compared to your current standing, you lose more than you gain, because the game considers your mmr to "not deserve this elo".

Like if your mmr is higher than your current elo, you will gain more. How it works, don't really know... But I know that having a higher mmr can also mean skipping divisions, earning a LOT of LP etc. So what I'm saying is that your mmr compared to your current division is probably still b5, not b4, and the game probably thinks you don't deserve b4 (sorry, it's the system not me ; - ; ..)

I checked you up on OP.GG, and your winrate is below 50%, meaning because of this poor winrate, its harder to climb, due to the fact it shows if someone is good enough for their division etc.

Say someone was boosted from silver 3 to gold 4, and they continue playing ranked by themselves and continue to lose because they aren't on their own skill level. First their winrate will drop, and then the amount of LP gained/lost will change drastically.

Alright. I think I understand that. It sounds a little broken as a system but I can understand it. So how would I let the system recognize that my MMR should be higher? I'm actually winning more games than losing in B4 atm, but the problem is that 2 wins gives me as much LP as a loss so I can't really climb...

For example, my win rates... http://i.imgur.com/SNwTyof.jpg

SandrahyOct 6, 20161 votes

It's not about champion win rate, but your general TOTAL GAME win rate

http://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=SkrillRKnight

You currently have a win rate of 45% , 92 W and 111 L, meaning your win rate is considered bad, once you reach a win rate of 50%+ you will start being in a positive (considered) state. Your W/L ratio is just bad, giving you a bad MMR.

Its to fluke out the "boosted" people. When people get boosted to a rank, say you got boosted to plat, you will continue to lose a LOT of games, meaning your mmr will tank and your win rate will drop.

Having a "negative" win rate generally means the system acts like you don't belong there, so if you can manage to win up to a 51% Winrate, like 112 W 111 L, you will start gaining more LP than losing, most probably. ######I think at least