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This is why Yasuo is unfun to play against...

Statikin··67 votes·6,078 views

Now before you tell me that I don't get Yasuo, or I haven't played him, let me explain something. I was playing him the other day to "understand" where Yas players are coming from when they try to defend their champion.

I learned some things from that game:

-I do at least understand how some players would definitely find yasuo fun, but... -His scalings are insane -I did terribly in lane, I died four times and was behind in CS. By 20 minutes onward I was still doing insane amounts of damage. -Players don't appear to be rewarded very well for shutting Yasuo down in lane. He scales so well that shutting him down early means almost nothing.

This is consistent with many of the games of which I've played against a Yasuo as well. This is why Yasuo is shit on by the community because no matter what people seem to do he can still end up dictating fights dealing damage and getting triples or more out of his ass.

I do admit I am mechanically a very bad Yasuo, but even then I was simply spamming my Q and E, shredding through their team and blocking projectiles with ease because of the way my windwall spawns.

Please do something about his scalings or windwall I actually beg.

92 Comments

Cornerstone127 votes

I'm REALLY getting tired of seeing him in practically every game that does not have a ban phase. UNLESS the Yasuo is LEARNING, they all end up owning everyone, and they are the typical jerks that spam their mastery shield every chance they get.

They can prance around and dance in your face, and unless you have some hard cc, it takes a couple people to have a chance. The windwall is probably the most frustrating thing to deal with, because his mobility usually allows him to move back and forth from that wall shield without taking much damage. I don't know how many times a killing aa/spell disappears into a wall at the last moment, or his stupid shield procs just as the would be killing shot hits.

Ya, I guess I could play draft pick, but I like the short wait time of blind pick, and the random nature of rolls helps make you a well rounded player.

TotalJerk16 votes

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He scales so well that shutting him down early means almost nothing.

Yasuo is SUPPOSED to scale well. The problem isn't that he scales too hard, the problem is that his laning phase is too strong for what is supposed to be a scaling champ.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

the problem is that his laning phase is too strong for what is supposed to be a scaling champ.

don't really agree with this... i feel this when i lane against... but cause i play a weak laner. If u pick a good skirmisher (yasuo is) or a juggernaut u can snowball hard. The main issue in op elo is... they don't know how to end a game, so they go over 40 min.

Ahristocats3 votes

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but cause i play a weak laner.

+1 unfortunatly you stepped in a yasuo QQ circle jerk

Anhartamin9 votes

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TheSingularity26 votes

And? Your rank is nothing special. Silver, gold what does it matter? They're just over glorified bronze leagues filled with players with huge egos. And lost a normal on a server? What kind of argument is that? "OMG U LOST A GAME ON A SERVER! AND WENT 6/14!" And? People lose. People do poorly. God forbid someone is actually worse at the game than you are and somehow, miraculously makes mistakes. Like omg someone isn't perfect, they clearly know nothing about subject X.

Get over yourself babe.

AHeroNamedHawke8 votes

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And? Your rank is nothing special. Silver, gold what does it matter? They're just over glorified bronze leagues filled with players with huge egos. And lost a normal on a server? What kind of argument is that? "OMG U LOST A GAME ON A SERVER! AND WENT 6/14!" And? People lose. People do poorly. God forbid someone is actually worse at the game than you are and somehow, miraculously makes mistakes. Like omg someone isn't perfect, they clearly know nothing about subject X.

Get over yourself babe.

The entire point of the thread was "omg Yasuo is so amazing he can just come back from 0/4 and dominate the game"

Generally in order to dominate the game you have to win, or at least go positive

TheSingularity6 votes

I get carried every game and usually with meh scores KD wise. Doesn't make it any less of a win.

he's just bashing a player for their performance

Anhartamin4 votes

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TheSingularity9 votes

And how does being gold on EUW make you special? IDGAF what your rank is, until I see a pretty challenger emblem you don't get to bash people for their rank. You are one of those glorified bronze players with a massive ego babe. Have you played on OCE? Are you diamond on oce? I'd expect so given you believe oce has such crappy players. Or is it just a baseless claim because we're a young lol sever compared to the rest?

Or is just that OCE doesn't have a thriving Esports scene? So you base the player quality on that?

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

You are one of those glorified bronze players with a massive ego babe.

Stop this bs. And obviously the level on Euw is higher than OCE. Purely logical.

TheSingularity2 votes

In what way, is it purely logical? By your methodology Australia is better that Europe, it's purely logical. You present no evidence to back your claim, you don't state an argument to base your logic on and thus far I doubt Europeans even bother playing on our servers.

So what exactly, are you basing this claim on?

Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 votes

There more player on our server (Euw), more people > more competition > higher level. Its logical, it can hurt ur pride. Same like Kr > Euw.

TheSingularity2 votes

That mah bae, is what I was waiting for. Soz but I had to make it difficult, because I don't tolerate baseless claims. Without your explanation your logic can be interpreted any way an individual wants it to be. Given the right individual, they could've interpreted it as racism towards indigenous Australian lol players. Now this is obviously an exaggerated and absolutely absurd assumption that isn't even racist, but it is meant to be absurd. People come up with crazy stupid assumptions if you don't explain wtf you're on about. And this is something I wanted to highlight.

I'm 100% fine with OCE being the worst server world wide. We've been the shittest server in every game since we popped up. We've had 2 players at most make it to the WCS global finals in sc2 a single year and we've never had a league team make it to the global finals. But you can't base this on:

obviously the level on Euw is higher than OCE. Purely logical.

Without an explanation as to why. "Purely logical" is not an explanation. Thus With your explanation I accept your logic and explanation. That explanation is literally all that comment needed in the first place. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 votes

yeah its my bad.... u right i should explained firstly.

Serber8 votes

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SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

not sure if ur being sarcastic or not

QuickenedBlade8 votes

Only problem I have with Yasuo is that he's retarded past 20 minutes Doesn't matter if he was 0-20 in lane (LITERALLY) He comes back to 1v5 carry with all the 'skill' in the world. Even if he's bad, a teammate knocks him up and he just presses R from Africa for a kill secure.

MysterQ7 votes

I tried him on free week (I was terrible). But wow I had no clue he had the shortest cooldowns and no mana cost or anything.

3TWarrior2 votes

I tried him once back in season 4 or 5...got a triple kill my first game with him and was like, "why the heck did they make this champion? he is so mechanically intensive that not only is it not fun, it's just plain boring that when you play him right, there is nothing that can be done against him"

same thing with Vayne back in her power phase

triple kill for both champions first game played as them...kinda wrong

Sraeg20131 votes

He was in fact stronger the first year or so after his release, but everybody underestimated him.

3TWarrior1 votes

true, though i'm surprised tank yasuo hasn't come about after bruiser yasuo's fall

Sraeg20131 votes

Full tank Yasuo will never be a thing (unless Riot will do something utterly dumb). He basically doesn't have base damage on his skills.

PS. I love them random downvotes.

3TWarrior1 votes

maybe, suppose it depends upon how long the game lasts

he could probably do quite a bit of damage with just item 3087 and item 3748

increases his crit chance, recharges with movement, both proc on auto attacks (which would mean on Q) and etc

mainly though I think it would be his point and click crowd control that would be his seller if possible

his EQ whirlwind circle would be a decent engage, though I think it would require an experienced yasuo player to pull off properly

Sraeg20131 votes

And this is what I'm NOT talking about. It's not a TANK build if it has 2 DAMAGE-oriented items as its core.

I thought you knew the difference after seeing this:

true, though i'm surprised tank yasuo hasn't come about after bruiser yasuo's fall

3TWarrior1 votes

well, titanic is core on quite a few tanks and bruisers and static shiv is core on yasuo

no one has been able to go full tank in forever due to not being able to do any damage at all and the stats being impractical (except for Sion, but his case was an exception to the rule as a late game unkillable juggernaut )

Sraeg20131 votes

No one? The first thing that came to my mind: Nautilus goes full-full tank and is doing fine.

3TWarrior1 votes

who is perfectly fine building Titanic?

his primary focus is crowd control, so he doesn't really care if he does damage or not but doing damage is occasionally beneficial. even when he doesn't build it he has item 3068 and item 3742

although dead man's isn't the best, up to 200 bonus damage is decent, it's like an entire ability for nautilus

Sraeg20131 votes

who is perfectly fine building Titanic?

It has 0.1% fucking buy-rate on Nautilus. You will sooner find one building Mejai's.

It Hertz When IP5 votes

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I had no clue he had the shortest cooldowns and no mana cost

The lack of a mana bar didn't raise a few red flags about his mana costs?

But seriously, his CDs are rather short for someone who's supposed to be gated by them.

The MechE6 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsET1PQSnQ

Unpaladin5 votes

You can either nerf his Windwall again (and accomplish very little) or make him actually take a hit to his earlygame, so that his super ultra Übermensch passive he has is justified. A suitable nerf would to be address his fantastic early trading potential, it's so good he doesn't even need windwall to have better agency than most top laners.

Asayake 5150glow8 votes

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You can either nerf his Windwall again (and accomplish very little) or make him actually take a hit to his earlygame, so that his super ultra Übermensch passive he has is justified. A suitable nerf would to be address his fantastic early trading potential, it's so good he doesn't even need windwall to have better agency than most top laners.

From levels 1-3 perhaps. Later on he dies to anything remotely bulky.

Spicy Rice7 votes

Thank you.

Why don't people understand that yasuo has a good 1-3, and then a shitty time till he gets items?

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

bc instead of telling ppl about this you're making a post asking why people dont know it, do you see my point? not saying you're the problem but this attitude is

Spicy Rice1 votes

I mean, I've tried explaining this in the past, but ive long since learned that most people on the Boards are just looking for an echo chamber.

Btw, it was a rhetorical question

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

most ppl aren't everyone, just post for the people who appreciate your posts and yourself. If you try to satisfy most people you wont have a good time :)

Statikin5 votes

@Everyone complaining about my rank/server (also server is a stupid argument but whatevs)

I'm not saying I'm particularly good or anything but the point of this thread isn't to bust on Yasuo based on MY own rank or even if I am winning. I'm talking about his ability to destroy enemies even through a crappy laning phase and continue to do so consistently, without the player necessarily needing to know all that much about Yasuo and how this makes the game feel unfun for those playing against him.

I know this is probably more prevalent in Bronze/Silver/Gold elo, as higher elo's would probably know how to enact on some damage control, but given much of the player base is in the B/S/G I'm just speaking on that part.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku4 votes

I'm not saying I'm particularly good or anything but the point of this thread isn't to bust on Yasuo based on MY own rank or even if I am winning.

u rank mean alot. It tell us a bit about ur understanding.

I know this is probably more prevalent in Bronze/Silver/Gold elo

in gold (i don't speak about V-IV) u usualy know how to manage Yasuo... mainly in late.

GayFluffyUnicorn9 votes

Do you really believe your gold 2 is any different from 5-4? Holy fuck how can someone be so dellusional. Let me tell you something, there is no difference until plat 1-2 when people actually have decent mechanics and macroplay. And yes gold people know how to handle yasuo... a gold yasuo xD

PermabannedGaren3 votes

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@Everyone complaining about my rank/server (also server is a stupid argument but whatevs)

I'm not saying I'm particularly good or anything but the point of this thread isn't to bust on Yasuo based on MY own rank or even if I am winning. I'm talking about his ability to destroy enemies even through a crappy laning phase and continue to do so consistently, without the player necessarily needing to know all that much about Yasuo and how this makes the game feel unfun for those playing against him.

I know this is probably more prevalent in Bronze/Silver/Gold elo, as higher elo's would probably know how to enact on some damage control, but given much of the player base is in the B/S/G I'm just speaking on that part.

No one should give a single shit about what happens in bronze to gold, or even plat. Hell, not even low to mid diamond.

Yasuo is only able to come back after hard feeding in lane if he is carried through by the rest of his team (any late game carry can do this) or if he's against shitters who can't close out games. The bulk of the community falls under this, and Yasuo should not be nerfed just because bad players can't play against him.

Ahristocats3 votes

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I'm talking about his ability to destroy enemies even through a crappy laning phase and continue to do so consistently,

if you're bad at the game we should expect yasuo to not do this?

Cornerstone15 votes

Rank is irrelevant to the conversation. You guys think way to highly of yourselves.

Smitemuffin3 votes

He's also a "late game scaling" champ with an utterly INSANE early game. Yasuo has more kill pressure before the first recall than any mid besides Talon and Zed

TyroneWatermelon2 votes

I'll tell you why. It is because it's already hard enough to poke and out-trade him in in lane thanks to high base damage, Windwall, Way of the wanderer and Sweeping blade, but thanks to item 1053 and/or Warlord's Bloodlust he braindeadly heals himself quickly to full hp with 0 costs or risk

Statikin2 votes

Oh don't get me started on his healing late game... xP dear god

Also I acknowledge I lost the game. The point of the discussion is whether he is fun to play against. Not necessarily that he is disgustingly overpowered or anything or that he is so op that he wins games automatically. I think he does lean toward the strong side, but I'm simply prompting discussion on his balance mostly in regard to why he is so unfun to play against.

DoktorKaiser2 votes

When you can get 100% crit with 1.5 items, get free armor pen for no reason at all and are the biggest abuser of already toxic item - frozen mallet, then you are just cancer with any kind of kit, not to mention his kit is cancer on its own. This champion just needs a rework to not be a chore to play with/against and after 10 bans I am never playing no-banning modes ever again because I never have to see this goddamn champion again.

Laxfan521 votes

Tbh I don't see many yasuos building mallet that often anymore

Bird Brains2 votes

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