Luden's Echo warping the game a bit?

Skias·May 23, 2015·1 votes·305 views

I was wondering what people's opinions are of Luden's Echo as a replacement for Deathfire Grasp? I feel like its a bit overtuned at the moment. I was using it on taric and nuking carries with Dazzle. It's a fun item but seems like its developing some abuse cases with champs like and .

Anyone think it needs to be toned down a bit?

4 Comments

WalkingInACircleMay 23, 20151 votes

Its an item that's very in tune with mage's typical mid game power spike.

Extreme TrollerMay 23, 20151 votes

uuh no, luden echoe was designed to help nidalee and teemo, other champ don't use luden echo. if you nerf it, nobody will use it. teemo shroom and nidalee spear become viable again with this item

SkiasMay 23, 20151 votes

I'm more interested in the way it is applied. Anivia's Glacial storm applies it constantly while up. Some of it's behavior is really weird.

Mandang0May 23, 20151 votes

Honestly, I feel the complete opposite is true. If you compare Luden's to Deathcap, their damage breaks even when 30% of your AP fed into your combined ratios is equal to 100+15% of your AP. This makes Luden's a stronger option early and also in situations where your combined AP ratio is low (poking). This is in contrast to how DFG beat Deathcap, which was in burst scenarios (it also had damage amp and %HP damage, both of which scale lategame). Considering how much the game has been all-in focused lately (assassin meta, now a tank meta, the top supports are all-in focused, etc), I think it's perfectly fine to introduce an item that's stronger on poke patterns. Yes, I know some assassins still use it, but I'd prefer them using Luden's to them having DFG again.