Ori hasn't done a single thing wrong. She's really only strong right now because we constantly nerf what's on top of her. Why nerf HER too? That just brings the entire value of mid lane mages down as a whole. I think it's better to just buff some mid laners back up, rather than constantly knee jerk reacting to the remaining viable ones.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo11 voteschip you are wise enough to know any champ that someone feels out classes them or beats them or find anti fun is a target of hate
so no matter which champ it is they will cry about it
chipndip13 votesI am, but I can't just sit idly by while people's bronzie tears attempt to ruin Orianna...and I don't even play her (well).
ZT Xperimentor3 votesThe stupid thing is, I've seen platinums complain she should be nerfed, but can never come up with solid evidence that she's worse than previous problem children. It's as you said, she's only on top because every other mage has been systematically crippled; happens to every class when they do a mass nerf.
KaRniVooL132 votesbut she isnt on top win rate for plat + shows that... which is listed below... and other champs still have higher pick rates or equal to
she is sitting legit at 50.05% at plat + for win rate
so whats the issue
ZT Xperimentor1 votesYou said the issue, lol. She's not overpowered but some people just want to nitpick since she's uncommon enough to not be practiced against. Happened with several other champions over the years, they fall into obscurity but the few mains who still play them can beat the odds; and the ignorant players complain it's a hidden op champion when they were just out matched.
KaRniVooL132 votesso the issue is she is balanced ?
AirKingNeo1 votesPeople plat+ want Orianna nerfed.
Penns3 votesOr a champ that is in every game, played by everyone, and still wins. Shes just broken idk what to tell u lel
Big Lincoln5 votesa viable mage is a dangerous mage
oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votesmid lane champs who have higher win rates then orianna
56.35% #1
52.5% #5
52.32% #6
52.23% #7
51.87% #10
51.28% #11
51.24% #12
51.03% #14
50.65% #19
50.43% #21
and then orianna at 50.05% win rate for 23rd among mid lane champs
Clementine3 votesYou can't just spam other's winrates like it means everything. It depends on champion difficulty, playrate, and how many playing the champ are mains.
chipndip18 votesYeah, but if Orianna doesn't GENERALLY win that often, how is she a general problem? Like statistics dictate that with a general win rate of 50%, and 21 champs ahead of her in general win rate in her lane, she's not someone that anyone just freelo rides off of. Why are we bitching?
Clementine2 votesI never said she was a general problem or that she is freelo. I like Orianna (when I play her as a support) but playing against her as, say an Ekko or Gangplank in lane, may be the worst experience in the world.
She reminds me of Corki a few patches ago when he was strong. Hard to itemize against early, nonstop poke. She also zones hard. She's immobile as a trade-off
DoktorKaiser2 votesWell its a counterpick man, you cant play anything into anything. Yesterday I picked Jax and enemy picked Pantheon, I cried but it was my fault for getting counterpicked. Nothing you can do :(
FantasySniper3 votesHer range is ass compared to other mages, tho?...
SEKAI1 votesYeah, but if Orianna doesn't GENERALLY win that often, how is she a general problem? Like statistics dictate that with a general win rate of 50%, and 21 champs ahead of her in general win rate in her lane, she's not someone that anyone just freelo rides off of. Why are we bitching?
You should at least check play rates too.
A champ win 2 out of 2 matches is very different to a champ winning 499 games out of 1000 matches (here let's assume your everyday average champ appears in 200 matches over the same period at most), and neither does it mean that the former has issues precisely because of their 100% win rate or that the latter can't possibly have problems due to them having approx 50% win rate.
Whatever the case, 50% win rate is hardly the sole determinant of balance, let's not kid ourselves with oversimplification.
chipndip11 votesGeneral play rate: Around 15% give or take in all elos.
General win rate: Around 50% give or take in all elos.
Win/Matches played in Diamond: About 56%.
Like, this is half the violation Ahri was in the mid lane with her 53% general win rate.
SEKAI1 votesGeneral play rate: Around 15% give or take in all elos.
General win rate: Around 50% give or take in all elos.
Win/Matches played in Diamond: About 56%.
Like, this is half the violation Ahri was in the mid lane with her 53% general win rate.
Now that's something at least valid for an argument.
I was just saying that only comparing win rates is missing out a lot critical information.
chipndip11 votesYou're alright, dude. I have issues with people that take even this info and STILL disregard it...like how they do with Yasuo all the time.
KaRniVooL132 votesgo look at the play rates they are all 5% or higher
SpookyNeedle1 votesFiora sat at a 50% winrate last patch, but the majority of the players wanted her and might still want her gutted.
KaRniVooL131 votesoh like lee sin, ekko, caitlyn ,syndra
and so on ?lol
SpookyNeedle1 votesI'm not saying she's balanced, I'm saying that 50% winrates aren't everything
chipndip11 votesAre we STILL gonna whine about Lee Sin of all champs!? He's been nerfed like twice since the last circle jerk.
KaRniVooL131 votesoh i never cried over lee ... im just pointing out the the usual suspects
lol
SecondChanceHero2 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AdA8uEvp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-07-16T02:37:11.457+0000)
mid lane champs who have higher win rates then orianna
and then orianna at 50.05% win rate for 23rd among mid lane champs
Yeah, but she's more OP than any of them. Her kit is just too flexible for her to ever fall out of top or God tier status. She's been contended pick ban basically for all of leagues existence. She's a staple champ like lee sin and is by design OP and considered a healthy level of strong.
She's not actually best suited for every situation, but she's capable in any situation. So you see her a ton and it gets kinda stale that she's ever present and always strong.
CppL1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AdA8uEvp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-07-16T02:37:11.457+0000)
mid lane champs who have higher win rates then orianna
and then orianna at 50.05% win rate for 23rd among mid lane champs
Believe it or not shes prety high skillcap champ.
PrinceOfStorms2 votesVlad at least is actually really easy to counter- he loses to basically every non-assassin midlaner.
Handin Out Naps5 votesUntil she isn't completely braindead?
Jello Master4 votesThink of the lethality buff, now the others... Theres a reason they changed thornmail from an ad counter, to a tank heal reduction item. They need their full AD teams happy ;).
chipndip12 votesThey changed Thornmail because an armor item with no HP is hard to sell + tanks were complaining about being healed off of + EVERYONE was complaining about being healed off of.
Like, old Thornmail sucked dick. Now that it's changed we're gonna act like it didn't? Why do these boards always do these blatantly shameless 180s?
Apocalypsic3 votesBecause she's broken and I'd honestly rather see a different mid laner spammed at worlds than her again.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votesa mid laner with a 50.05% win rate SOOOOO BROKEN
Apocalypsic5 votesHonestly I wish that players didn't have access to these statistics anymore because people have begun to latch onto them like babies rather than think for themselves.
Orianna is a problem champion and I'm sure she'll just shitstomp this worlds again too, maybe then people will see.
KaRniVooL133 votesany champ who is strong in the meta can shitstomp
orianna is 23rd among mid laners with win rate
Apocalypsic3 votesI don't give a shit about winrate. I'm actually tired of the same prattle over and over on the boards, there are other ways of determining a champions worth and to anyone with a functioning brain it's quite obvious that she has a bit too much going on and needs trimming down.
KaRniVooL134 votesto dismiss all the stats that prove other wise would be stupid
Apocalypsic4 votesI've played this game enough to know that stats are not the ultimate end-all be-all deciding factor when determining the balance state of a champion.
KaRniVooL134 votesno but to dismiss them like they mean nothing is stupid
and there are other mid laners with just as high if not higher pick rates and higher win rates
she is most likely one of the most balanced champs in all of league , her skill is very equal to the skill of the person playing her...
meaning if your bad u will be bad with her... if your really good and highly skill she can be very powerful
chipndip11 votesYou should take a stats class some time.
Best princess EU3 votesanivia is the most broken mage
better complain about ori
the only thing ori has more than other mages is her shield, and even then lux should be better than her at it but lux is garbage
RottedApples2 votesit's the boards. their hive mind knee jerk reacts to something new every week.
FantasySniper2 votesI wasn't even aware Orianna was finally viable again.
SecondChanceHero1 votesWhy complain when you can abuse?
=P
Gone by Night1 votesYes, let them destroy that annoying AI mofo.
RavenMagus1 votesI'm actually surprised. I've hated Orianna and thought she's busted for a very long time now, so it's surprising to see the boards picking up on it too. And I totally agree because I hate her, though I feel like most mages are in a weak spot right now anyways.
Pinkaj1 votesWait, people were complaining about Ori? I've never seen that...I know she can kill and adc with a q+w+aa procing thunderlords late game but nobody's said anything
Blåbæret1 votesOri is a balanced champion. I'll get downvoted, but she won't be nerfed. They see her at LCS and automatically think she's OP. The truth is that Orianna is stronger in pro play than in solo Q where there are FAR better picks than her.
A Bad Nasus1 votesThe same exact thing has also been complained about ahri and look at how that went. So it is really up to riot's opinion whether she will stay the way she is or not.
nm10101 votesNerf her, buff items. She has her relative power go down and all mid laners get a small bump.