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Riot can go eat a dick for buffing gamebreaking thresh/blitz/nautilus/leona and no sona buffs

A Wild AP Sona··6 votes·3,438 views

these 4 champion are fucking invincible the first 15 minutes of the game if you run defense masteries with armor marks/quints (63 armor level 1 with 700+ hp) why the fuck are we giving them MORE armor? will riot consider it balanced if nautilus just clicks on adc/support at lvl 1 and wins 1v2?

I have a better idea how about we unnerf some of her 32 consecutive nerfs that happened while she has 40% win rate IN REAL ELO/0% ban rate/0% pick rate in lcs? all the old d1/master sona mains are stuck in like d3-d5 this season because of how awful sona is at high lvl play

you are basically guaranteed to lose 70-80% of all in 2v2 fights before level 6 due to sonas being worthless

her passive that was nerfed from 100% to 40% on a fucking whim becasue a silver rioter cant trade vs a champion that gets 1 shotted if you right click on her? aka Riot peenless (fearless)

how about having her q do more than 33 damage vs ppl at level 1? when blitzcrank does about 300-400 + burn flash if he grabs someone lvl 1? (minion dmg/adc/blitz + ignite so easy to instagib lvl 1-2)

lol @ sona being "overwhelming" when you can literally flash on her when she has 90% hp and kill her as some supports or adcs

how about dat 180-200hp poke from brand at lvl 1 because his passive? why the fuck you worried about sonas old 50 damage poke at lvl 1?

riot games can go eat a dick for buffing gamebreaking thresh/leona/blitz/naut that basically autowin lane vs anybody and give no compensation buffs for sona at same time

33 Comments

52426480_DEL6 votes

You can go eat a dick.

ModAttysu The Poro4 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Wild AP Sona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-07T20:55:27.494+0000)

these 4 champion are fucking invincible the first 15 minutes of the game if you run defense masteries with armor marks/quints (63 armor level 1 with 700+ hp) why the fuck are we giving them MORE armor? will riot consider it balanced if nautilus just clicks on adc/support at lvl 1 and wins 1v2?

I have a better idea how about we unnerf some of her 32 consecutive nerfs that happened while she has 40% win rate IN REAL ELO/0% ban rate/0% pick rate in lcs? all the old d1/master sona mains are stuck in like d3-d5 this season because of how awful sona is at high lvl play

you are basically guaranteed to lose 70-80% of all in 2v2 fights before level 6 due to sonas being worthless

her passive that was nerfed from 100% to 40% on a fucking whim becasue a silver rioter cant trade vs a champion that gets 1 shotted if you right click on her? aka Riot peenless (fearless)

how about having her q do more than 33 damage vs ppl at level 1? when blitzcrank does about 300-400 + burn flash if he grabs someone lvl 1? (minion dmg/adc/blitz + ignite so easy to instagib lvl 1-2)

lol @ sona being "overwhelming" when you can literally flash on her when she has 90% hp and kill her as some supports or adcs

how about dat 180-200hp poke from brand at lvl 1 because his passive? why the fuck you worried about sonas old 50 damage poke at lvl 1?

riot games can go eat a dick for buffing gamebreaking thresh/leona/blitz/naut that basically autowin lane vs anybody and give no compensation buffs for sona at same time

Not only as a fan of Sona, but a fan of your youtube channel Ms. AP Sona ma'am, I have to agree with you. I love Sona but Riot does not know what the hell to do with her anymore... ;-;

Yordle Xayah4 votes

mfw reading the thread tittle http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oH9FwYBu6g8/USiscSu-dCI/AAAAAAAAK9E/17XRmHwpDJ4/s1600/spiderman.gif

1000angrybees3 votes

Okay, woah woah woah. I absolutely love sona and all, but this is not a proper way to ask for buffs.

A Wild AP Sona2 votes

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Okay, woah woah woah. I absolutely love sona and all, but this is not a proper way to ask for buffs.

sry im t ired of having to risk my life 10-15 times of doing 30 damage before it finally adds up enough me and my adc can maybe win a 2v2 but all enemy laner has to do is mash his face on the keyboard and he will all in and get a double kill because his champion has 2x the armor/hp of my adc

1000angrybees2 votes

nah, I know man. She's not totally rewarding to play all the time and it can be frustrating. Sona has a lot more weaknesses than strengths right now, and she needs a little love to bring her back into a good, balanced spot. Just make sure to state your case a little more civil next time, you know?

Pika3102 votes

I can understand where you're coming from, but his rage is justified. Riot and especially Fearless have not been civil towards us. He's blatantly lied, condescended and even outright disrespected players, then went silent for 10 months. Honestly, there's no reason we should be expected to show Riot the slightest bit of respect, since they've proven they won't do the same in kind.

Trebbi2 votes

Naut

[{quoted}](name=A Wild AP Sona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-07T20:55:27.494+0000)

riot games can go eat a dick for buffing gamebreaking thresh/leona/blitz/naut that basically autowin lane vs anybody.

Who autowins if these four are against each other?

A Wild AP Sona6 votes

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Naut

Who autowins if these four are against each other?

the supports themselves will be 5-0 while adcs are 0-5 on each side becasue adcs actually arent invincible the first 15 minutes of the game

maybe I should just start running thresh adc/blitz adc pretty soon they will get a rework where their ultimate is a point and click global grab that does 2000 true damage so you can just sit in fountain and grab people all game riot is so on their nutsack

TraakSC2 votes

"these 4 champion are fucking invincible the first 15 minutes"

I personally killed 2 of these champs last night within the first 6 minutes.

Diamondtear2 votes

thresh, probably the most mechanically challenging support is op huh? yea probably but his skill cap is insanely high and in order for him to do well you have to predict your enemies movements which isnt always easy to do.

blitz, pick morg you win, easy.

leo, pick janna you win, easy.

naut, extremely weak lanning phase pre 6, if you dont stand behind minons and not let him just walk up and q you, you'll be fine.

btw sona is a early game poke champion so no she doesnt need buffs, utilize her powerspike before you complain about her being weak, and just because she cant snowball the entire game from lvl 1 doesnt mean shes weak

A Wild AP Sona7 votes

[{quoted}](name=LeVar Burton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-08-07T21:11:55.665+0000)

thresh, probably the most mechanically challenging support is op huh? yea probably but his skill cap is insanely high and in order for him to do well you have to predict your enemies movements which isnt always easy to do.

blitz, pick morg you win, easy.

leo, pick janna you win, easy.

naut, extremely weak lanning phase pre 6, if you dont stand behind minons and not let him just walk up and q you, you'll be fine.

btw sona is a early game poke champion so no she doesnt need buffs, utilize her powerspike before you complain about her being weak, and just because she cant snowball the entire game from lvl 1 doesnt mean shes weak

sona goes oom trying to poke people before 5 becasue of how worthless it is and you risk your life every time you try to poke vs good ppl

I was 40 lp from challenger in s4 and have over 3k games of sona so trust me I know how to lane as sona and she is one of the most garbage early game champs on league you seriously calling a champ with less hp than a melee minion an early game champion?

Diamondtear2 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Wild AP Sona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-08-07T21:14:23.325+0000)

sona goes oom trying to poke people before 5 becasue of how worthless it is and you risk your life every time you try to poke vs good ppl

I was 40 lp from challenger in s4 and have over 3k games of sona so trust me I know how to lane as sona and she is one of the most garbage early game champs on league you seriously calling a champ with less hp than a melee minion an early game champion?

First of all anivia has the lowest hp in game so try playing her before you bitch about low hp pools, second, learn to save your mana clearly you just spam and go oom get engaged on and die and complain, also i'm going to be you generally insta lock sona without realizing that shes easy to counter and is pretty shitty late game

edit: also by looking at your match history on her, you build full ap.... you build 0 utility and to boot you build a mejias.

A Wild AP Sona6 votes

[{quoted}](name=LeVar Burton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T21:19:03.661+0000)

learn to save your mana clearly you just spam and go oom get engaged on and die and complain, also i'm going to be you generally insta lock sona without realizing that shes easy to counter and is pretty shitty late game

  • clearly didnt read my post/suffers from reading comprehension

cheerleader sona falls off after champion select when you actually have to fight vs enemy champions

ap sona AKA sona that takes skill = mid game/end game only champion with 687 move speed and 2k burst learn about stuff before you talk plz

you have no chance to outplay ppl with early game sona because you have no items that let you burst/give mobility to dodge

Diamondtear2 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Wild AP Sona,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T21:21:29.761+0000)

  • clearly didnt read my post/suffers from reading comprehension

cheerleader sona falls off after champion select when you actually have to fight vs enemy champions

ap sona AKA sona that takes skill = mid game/end game only champion with 687 move speed and 2k burst learn about stuff before you talk plz

you have no chance to outplay ppl with early game sona because you have no items that let you burst/give mobility to dodge lol

your a glass canon build and offer 0 utility also if you miss your ult you lose so dont say it requires skill when all you have to do is land your ult and you'll win a 1v1

A Wild AP Sona5 votes

[{quoted}](name=LeVar Burton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T21:25:18.470+0000)

lol

your a glass canon build and offer 0 utility also if you miss your ult you lose so dont say it requires skill when all you have to do is land your ult and you'll win a 1v1

sona requires perfect knowledge of damge output/input vs all enemy champions on their team based on what items they have currently

so basically she is based on how far your mental calculuation can go and how accurate they are

if you cant predict what will happen in the next 5-10 seconds within 80-90% accuracy of how it actually plays out you will never be a good ap sona

a team fight will start and you will waste your power chord/combo on the wrong target or go in at the wrong time and just instantly get 1 shotted if you attack/get hit at wrong time you instantly die

also you play her aggro as hell and invade enemy jungle/chase people down in absurd situations

you get to do all of this while playing against professional neckbeards like voyboy/popular streamers trust me there is a reason only me and bakanino can handle playing ap sona in high elo

plz dont talk if you dont know what you are talking about your just a silver V which is basically equal to a 5-6 year old playing in a sandbox

DJ Di04 votes

[{quoted}](name=LeVar Burton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T21:19:03.661+0000)

First of all anivia has the lowest hp in game so try playing her before you bitch about low hp pools, second, learn to save your mana clearly you just spam and go oom get engaged on and die and complain, also i'm going to be you generally insta lock sona without realizing that shes easy to counter and is pretty shitty late game

Anivia has lower hp than Sona, but you glossed over her passive that makes her hard to kill early on.

At Least I Ward2 votes

Sona summoner 7

A Wild AP Sona4 votes

[{quoted}](name=LeVar Burton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AcEqpyVg,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T21:19:03.661+0000)

edit: also by looking at your match history on her, you build full ap and dont get a sightstone.... so not only do you not ward, or even clear wards, you build 0 utility and to boot you build a mejias.

you really have a mental disability dont you? I rush sightstone before my sheen/mejais

warpenguin5552 votes

you see, riot is a group of people, not 1 thing. so technically, riot cannot possibly eat a dick

Pika3102 votes

Unless they all share and eat the same one.

SKOBODO2 votes

You have to take the armor item nerfs into account. Frozen Heart, for instance, lost 10 armor and increased in price. These buffs are there to help pad the overall armor itemization nerfs a bit. It's not quite enough to make up for it, but it's something. Sona didn't really buy Randuin's Omen or Frozen Heart, so she doesn't get compensation.

Ravenhale2 votes

I checked the match history and the mere fact that Sona isn't dying an average of 4 times a game impresses me. The struggle for positioning is real when you're playing a glorified caster minion.

50000000000000002 votes

Because armor items are getting nerfed. That's why the tanky supports are getting base stat buffs.

I Make Lyte Tilt2 votes

I know I'm late, but I completely agree. She needs to do more damage with her early poke. It's nothing to be afraid of any more.

Beoridas1 votes

ez dude ez....are you really insulting them..insulting? isnt it a bit out of line since you dont know them personally? dont they deserve a bit of respect since you know, they still made the game and the champs in it?

A Wild AP Sona5 votes

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ez dude ez....are you really insulting them..insulting? isnt it a bit out of line since you dont know them personally? dont they deserve a bit of respect since you know, they still made the game and the champs in it?

yeah I am because they deserve it for bullying helpless underpowered champion and buffing champions that are currently curb stomping the bot lane and the champs they buffed account for almost 100% of bot lane support picks

Pika3103 votes

Except, we do know them pretty close to personally. Fearless showed his face in patch rundown, he has a Twitter that I've been blatantly insulted by him on and for the first few weeks after she was gutted, he came onto these very boards and condescended us personally with his lies and propaganda.

I'd say we have pretty damned good idea what kind of person he is.

Beoridas1 votes

no you dont. even if someone insults you. that doesnt mean you know them personally. you know them professionally and that only to a certain extent--in the sense that you know their public imagine rather than from the inside. That being said: If he insults you--which could be an exaggeration by you just to make a point--thats still between you and him. Also, fearless being the way he is doesnt mean you need to go disrespect an entire company of around 5k people. If they didnt make any champs, then would we be complaining and insulting them about these champs being too strong or weak? The root still comes down to them being the creative entity of our love for their creation. Its a bit of an oxymoron to go insult a huge amount of people you dont know about the very thing they created. Thats immature, childish and frankly narcissistic as hell. If you want to be that kind of person go ahead man, im not going to be the one showing you how an adult is supposed to behave.

Pika3102 votes

Employees represent their company at all times. If one employee behaves in a disrespectful manner, that looks bad on the company as a whole and especially whoever is directly in charge of said employee for allowing them to behave as such.

Beoridas1 votes

Yes. I agree but you are still beside the point. thats basically a straw man argument. Im not condoning bad behavior from them. The OP is just acting like child and insulting an entire company based on balance. my posts were about that. not about you and your experience with one individual.

And if you have an issue with an employee, you report it--regardless of their position. Doesnt mean that insulting a company of decent people is ok even if one represents it badly. Also, employee's twitter arent the company's views or opinion. There is usually a disclaimer about these things. At last--If you work in a restaurant and you insult me, am i going to scream out of my lungs mindless insults? or go to the chef and tell him hes an butthole? that wouldnt make sense now does it?

his logics are that because a champ is OP then it means its ok for him to throw complete disrespect and insults to an entire group and you are basically condoning that with a very different and unrelated event.

thats not ok. thats pretty much anti socialistic behavior.

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Okay, woah woah woah. I absolutely love sona and all, but this is not a proper way to ask for buffs.

Like this guy said

Pika3103 votes

I can't disagree with that, of course it's not the proper way to go about this and the use of profanity can never be condoned. However, players have been going about this the right ways for more than 14 months. THAT'S NOT OKAY.

He may be going over-the-top in the way he's expressing himself, but fact remains that his anger is justified. Clearly Riot isn't even reading this thread anyways, since nothing's happened to it and none have responded. Their silence and inaction goes to further prove everything he's saying is true.

Beoridas1 votes

His anger** is** justified, im angry about a lot of things too. To be fair tho--i have noticed Riot being a LOT more communicative recently @meddler, Repertoir for instance.

But im not sure they would go read a thread titled this way. i.e: im super pissed off at kassadin and ryze atm. But i didnt handled it this way and Riot did answer me. Thats all i was saying. Just to slow down in the insults, but being totally ok with the anger! cause i get it! I know the feeling. I uninstalled the game till kassadin, ryze are properly done and that sated devourer junglers are addressed.

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