Sona was overnerfed and now has a 38-50% win ratio in real elo

A Wild AP Sona·Jan 24, 2015·27 votes·6,179 views

the only place she still works is in low elo where people dont know how to right click on a champion she has to spend 400 mana to heal 150hp and the higher you go the worse she becomes and she has now officially become a troll pick

only people suffering from some kind of mental disability dont simply right click on her as lucian/graves to cause her to burn her entire mana bar to not even heal for half her hp

50% win ratio in plat 47-50% win ratio in diamond 38% win ratio in master

meanwhile freelo leona/blitz/nami with their 99999999x higher pick rate/win rate 0 nerf

sona also now only has a 5% pick rate and not even her mains can make her win ratio good anymore after her 30 nerfs and having every item she uses nerfed

http://www.lolking.net/champions/sona&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond#statistics

54 Comments

DiostukosJan 24, 201513 votes

I think she needs another rework, seems to be clear that Riot doesn't like Sona's kit at all.

Personally I'd like her auras to return, they were what drew me to her when I started playing.

BeersteinJan 24, 20154 votes

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I think she needs another rework, seems to be clear that Riot doesn't like Sona's kit at all.

Personally I'd like her auras to return, they were what drew me to her when I started playing.

So what if riot hates her kit? I have yet to see a single PLAYER complain about her kit.

Edge of DaybreakJan 24, 20153 votes

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So what if riot hates her kit? I have yet to see a single PLAYER complain about her kit.

sona players complain about her kit constantly. The key is to ignore her w healing 2 people and Q hitting 2 people.

BeersteinJan 24, 20158 votes

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sona players complain about her kit constantly. The key is to ignore her w healing 2 people and Q hitting 2 people.

Tell me on the doll where the bad Sona touched you.

VDc0zCqe0wJan 24, 20155 votes

dude stop, you are clearly not good enough at trolling, no one is going to get that bait

DiostukosJan 24, 20158 votes

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So what if riot hates her kit? I have yet to see a single PLAYER complain about her kit.

/Everyone/ who doesn't play support complains about her all the time, haha.

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sona players complain about her kit constantly. The key is to ignore her w healing 2 people and Q hitting 2 people.

Level 1 Q does a whopping 40 damage, 80 if she somehow manages to hit both people. It's /very/ obvious to tell when she's about to use it.

Level 1 W will heal 30, 60 if you have your ally with you. Still less than Nami who heals 120.25 for two people, or Soraka's 120 for one person.

AetherKingdomJan 24, 201513 votes

She also had a 63% win rate one day. Sona freelo master gg nerf

It Is I EmotoJan 26, 20156 votes

My god, you're quite annoying. Sona is even pushed out of the highest winrate champions, and thats what riot wanted, right? She's slightly over nerfed and once dropped under 50% winrate on a day, I'm pretty sure Riot did overnerf her.

AetherKingdomJan 26, 20151 votes

So it's annoying when I cherry pick a statistic but it's totally OK for the OP to. You Sona mains disgust me with your stupidity.

It Is I EmotoJan 26, 20154 votes

The problem is, that you're throwing here a winrate of an day instead of an month/week. Sonas winrate dropped by 1/2% right after the patch update, and thats what you guys aim for, don't you? And honestly, I don't curse around that adc mains are toxic, and neither I say that support is the most important role, but don't we have an right to complain about an horrible rework? According to your logic, Cassiopia or more than fine and needs to be nerfed too, because she's sitting on a high winrate.

AetherKingdomJan 26, 20152 votes

Since Riot removed my previous comment for calling you out in the way you should've been called out, I'll post again.

The problem is, that you're throwing here a winrate of an day instead of an month/week.

So it's annoying when I cherry pick a statistic but it's totally OK for the OP to.

I already fucking said that I cherry picked the statistic. Read my fucking comment.

Sonas winrate dropped by 1/2% right after the patch update, and thats what you guys aim for, don't you?

No it didn't. Sona is at a 51.3% win rate. Are you trying to tell me Sona had a 102% win rate?

And honestly, I don't curse around that adc mains are toxic, and neither I say that support is the most important role

The fuck are you going on about now?

don't we have an right to complain about an horrible rework?

This isn't a complaint about a rework, this is a complaint about nerfs. There's a difference you know, and Sona is no where near overnerfed.

According to your logic, Cassiopia or more than fine and needs to be nerfed too, because she's sitting on a high winrate.

Yes. She does need to be nerfed. Cassiopeia is strong. The thing you don't understand is that people are complaining about Cass because they don't like her play style, not because she is bad. Get that through your head.

It Is I EmotoJan 26, 20154 votes

So, you've called me something, that were "toxic" in their eyes? and then there are people who think that Support mains are the most toxic in the game.. lmao

Yeah I know, but after all, her winrate isn't even that high, it was around 53% with alot of other champs, does that mean high winrates = better nerf? Don't seem so for Rek'Sai.
Here let me give your her most recent statistics and check after January 14th. That sudden 1% winrate drop is pretty notice able and it kept sinking to 50%.. Do you even math?
So, you forgot why your last post got deleted? And here, let me throw this at you.
Well, the most Sona mains HAVE BEEN complaining over months! Yet, we're not being heard, are we? We're forced to build ap, and everyone complains about it, and what does riot do? they nerf her only way of supporting too! It's a honest complain, because I had to adapt to that new, annoying play style.
Yeah, well, I'm sorry, but most of those had also to adapt to the new playstyle that Stashu has given to her. (Stashu for Cassopia. Fearless for Sona) We as players, who had normally balanced champions before, but get as result horrible reworks, that got easily out of control, because we got forced to adapt to it.

And honestly, why are you even commenting on a smurf, only for board posts? are you afraid of posting your honest opinion on your real account? I don't even care if you're Platinum/Diamond/Master/Challenger, but you honestly don't seem to know what you're talking about in my eyes. (added that that what Pika310 said! forgot to add that Fearless is responsible for Sonas rework.)

Pika310Jan 26, 20155 votes

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It Is I EmotoJan 26, 20154 votes

pretty much lmao It just takes a bit time till he has either to post on his real account or just make a new smurf.. prob second choice for this case of user :V

AetherKingdomJan 27, 20154 votes

Lol, so having a different opinion is now considered trolling. This is why I fucking hate posting in circle jerk threads, but if I don't show how stupid you guys are, who will?

AetherKingdomJan 27, 20151 votes

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So, you've called me something, that were "toxic" in their eyes? and then there are people who think that Support mains are the most toxic in the game.. lmao

Yea because you can totally tell what I main and there's a 0% chance of me being a support main. Alright. I don't think support mains are the most toxic, I think every role is equally toxic. Supports mains are typically the more annoying type of toxic with their passive aggressiveness though.

Yeah I know, but after all, her winrate isn't even that high, it was around 53% with alot of other champs, does that mean high winrates = better nerf? Don't seem so for Rek'Sai.

Yea, Rek'sai totally wasn't just nerfed. Totally. And if you fucking know I cherry picked the fucking statistic in order to show that the OP cherry picking a statistic was stupid why the fuck would you say that it's annoying? Because it shows that your champion is still strong?

Here let me give your her most recent statistics and check after January 14th. That sudden 1% winrate drop is pretty notice able and it kept sinking to 50%.. Do you even math?

Lol, I actually messed up here. I didn't see the % mark. And even if, it's not like a Syndra level nerf. Sona is still good.

So, you forgot why your last post got deleted? And here, let me throw this at you.

I know exactly why my post was deleted, I called you fucking retarded. And I never posted in that thread so I have no idea what standing it has here.

Well, the most Sona mains HAVE BEEN complaining over months! Yet, we're not being heard, are we? We're forced to build ap, and everyone complains about it, and what does riot do? they nerf her only way of supporting too! It's a honest complain, because I had to adapt to that new, annoying play style.

And if you main Sona you should understand exactly where she is balance wise. Also, you aren't forced to build AP. You choose to. I've seen many Sonas with ~~130 AP do great late game, and I've seen Sonas with 500~~ AP do terrible late game.

Yeah, well, I'm sorry, but most of those had also to adapt to the new playstyle that Stashu has given to her. (Stashu for Cassopia. Fearless for Sona) We as players, who had normally balanced champions before, but get as result horrible reworks, that got easily out of control, because we got forced to adapt to it.

The reworks weren't horrible. You may not have liked them, but in terms of game health they are better. Sona's permanently on auras were no bueno for game health. Cassiopeia was oppressive in lane before the rework. After the rework, she was trash, and then they overcompensated her with buffs.

And honestly, why are you even commenting on a smurf, only for board posts? are you afraid of posting your honest opinion on your real account? I don't even care if you're Platinum/Diamond/Master/Challenger, but you honestly don't seem to know what you're talking about in my eyes.

If you don't care about my rank then why do you care about my level. Maybe I just like the name on this account more than on my main. You also don't seem to know what you're talking about.

(added that that what Pika310 said! forgot to add that Fearless is responsible for Sonas rework.)

It Is I EmotoJan 27, 20151 votes

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Yea, Rek'sai totally wasn't just nerfed. Totally. And if you fucking know I cherry picked the fucking statistic in order to show that the OP cherry picking a statistic was stupid why the fuck would you say that it's annoying? Because it shows that your champion is still strong?

Well, for me, I didn't cherry picked a statistic, but holy shit, everyone thinks that winrates shows how balanced a champion is. Tell me that a 200 base damage on ultimate is balanced.

Lol, I actually messed up here. I didn't see the % mark. And even if, it's not like a Syndra level nerf. Sona is still good.

Syndra did really recieve some hard nerfs recently while being a balanced mage. Riot wants to fix that, somehow.. let's see what the next cycle will bring

I know exactly why my post was deleted, I called you fucking retarded. And I never posted in that thread so I have no idea what standing it has here.

You know, you're cursing here around like that no rioter actually cares, but they're always watching~ Totally a proof that you're probably extremly toxic anyways.

And if you main Sona you should understand exactly where she is balance wise. Also, you aren't forced to build AP. You choose to. I've seen many Sonas with ~~130 AP do great late game, and I've seen Sonas with 500~~ AP do terrible late game.

Her auras don't even bait. The only thing she's left with is her ultimate, wich of course parts the good Sonas from the great Sonas. You should know, in the last season I've won about 10 games in a roq with Sona, with just hitting my ultimate at the right time. Ability power wasn't important at all, but cooldown reduction so you have your ult as often as possible up. I even rushed distortion ench. for my boots so I can do those flashy ults. Sadly, her auras have horrible base stats, horrible scalings, and her ultimate passive won't help that much. it's optional if you either rely on your ultimate, or on the low scalings of your auras.

The reworks weren't horrible. You may not have liked them, but in terms of game health they are better. Sona's permanently on auras were no bueno for game health. Cassiopeia was oppressive in lane before the rework. After the rework, she was trash, and then they overcompensated her with buffs.

How do you consider those reworks healthy, if the most here cry about it doing too much damage? No one ever complained about Sonas passive auras she had before the rework, and nobody complained that Cass was unhealthy with her DoT spells wich were great for her and made her to a real poison mage.

If you don't care about my rank then why do you care about my level. Maybe I just like the name on this account more than on my main. You also don't seem to know what you're talking about.

I didn't even talked about your level lmao. It's pretty easy to tell that you're a smurf (or at least a smurf for boards, since you don't even level this account up anymore) But really, if you dislike your name on your original account so much, there is a option to change names with ip.

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure what I'm talking about;

Sona uses 80 mana for her rank 1 heal, wich heals less than a relic shield charge.
Sonas Q has the lowest cooldown on her kit, wich makes it favorable for most players to use it.
Her E and W powerchords are not that great for her new poking style
With all her new on-hit damage, Lich Bane became a superior item for her
Because her W got nerfed extremly hard to actually max it as first ability, her Q became much more efficient
Her E is extremly selfish if you consider that Sona has the buff for the whole duration of the aura, while her allies only have it for 1.5 seconds
Her Shield does not even bait

And the list goes on.

Hell WeekJan 27, 20151 votes

AH, i think you opened my eyes with all this nerfing. ADAPT. That's the key. And thats the only thing we can really do because riot doesn't care lol... good thing i hate sona, nami, and soraka.

JorenciceJan 27, 20152 votes

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The problem is, that you're throwing here a winrate of an day instead of an month/week. Sonas winrate dropped by 1/2% right after the patch update, and thats what you guys aim for, don't you? And honestly, I don't curse around that adc mains are toxic, and neither I say that support is the most important role, but don't we have an right to complain about an horrible rework? According to your logic, Cassiopia or more than fine and needs to be nerfed too, because she's sitting on a high winrate.

Shes fine over the entire month her win rate has fluctuated from 47-54 percent thats EXACTLY where riot wants champions.

Pika310Jan 27, 20154 votes

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The Earth is flat.

Fixed it for you.

It Is I EmotoJan 27, 20151 votes

she had a 54% winrate, actually a 53% winrate some weeks before, technically, you are telling me that Sona was anyways fine before with her 50% bonus damage and with 330 movement speed.

JorenciceJan 27, 20151 votes

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she had a 54% winrate, actually a 53% winrate some weeks before, technically, you are telling me that Sona was anyways fine before with her 50% bonus damage and with 330 movement speed.

Huh? Are you asking me if i thought she was never op? If yes, then the answer is yea i dont think she ever needed nerfs. As a janna main i always destroyed sona,braum,thresh so i never thought thresh was op either.

BeersteinJan 24, 20159 votes

Honestly she was nerfed for being able to do the same thing almost any AP carry and even some assassins played as a support can do in bot lane, it's ridiculous. Ahri Orianna Viktor Leblanc Lux Annie

Not only that but some of those champions have ridiculous disengage abilities.

futuresight23Jan 26, 20156 votes

Downvoting on the premise of the Masters win rate being wildly inaccurate. The 38% winrate at Masters+ that the OP found if Lolking is to be trusted is from 1 day of play, January 22nd to be exact. Sona had a 37% winrate at Masters + on New Years Day before her nerfs went through, a 63% winrate on January 17th, approximately 4 days after she got nerfed and a 57% winrate a couple of days ago on January 24th. The sample size of games on any given day are just too inaccurate to draw a conclusion.

I get that you want Sona buffed and that you hate that she got nerfed, but cherry picking the data that proves you right while ignoring any data that could disprove you just harms your cause more than helps it.

Keon KamoriJan 25, 20154 votes

She wasn't nerfed because of win rate she was nerfed because she has no counterplay on her poke. Her win rate is lower in higher ELO because people in higher ELO know how to play around her. She's old and most of us know what she does, making her easy to read. Like Riot has stated previously win rate doesn't show anything about champion heath. It shows overall game health.

Try thinking of Sona objectively and you will understand why she is oppressive. Free poke is too strong. Champions should not have CC and Utility, and Damage, in equal proportions. Sona is not the only culprit but the Rioter(s) working on the Sona project got their stuff out now. If you are patient and come off a little less "ragey" you might learn why they are doing what they are doing and start a healthy conversation that is beneficial for everyone.

Tis a nice dayJan 26, 20151 votes

edit: Post irrelevant. This thread's got some pretty hardcore Sona empathizers.

ZephyrDrakeJan 27, 20151 votes

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She wasn't nerfed because of win rate she was nerfed because she has no counterplay on her poke. Her win rate is lower in higher ELO because people in higher ELO know how to play around her. She's old and most of us know what she does, making her easy to read. Like Riot has stated previously win rate doesn't show anything about champion heath. It shows overall game health.

Try thinking of Sona objectively and you will understand why she is oppressive. Free poke is too strong. Champions should not have CC and Utility, and Damage, in equal proportions. Sona is not the only culprit but the Rioter(s) working on the Sona project got their stuff out now. If you are patient and come off a little less "ragey" you might learn why they are doing what they are doing and start a healthy conversation that is beneficial for everyone.

"free poke"... i didn't knew that Sona was a resourceless champion now. You can also quite easily predict when Sona is going to poke you so just put some harass back at her and watch her waste mana trying to heal herself. Sona has ONE form of CC and that's her Ult and her utility is subpar to decent if everyone groups around her which just screams "please AoE here for free kills" and her damage just keeps getting lower and lower at all points of the game every time they nerf her damage even though only her laning phase was "too oppressive"

Neo CyrusJan 26, 20154 votes

Notice how they always nerf the champions no one is complaining about (as far as power level goes anyway). Next patch it's nerf time for Cass and Ahri.

Miku Hime samaOct 10, 20152 votes

Yes, but that's understandable after Jules already admitted all balance changes are made solely based on their own biases. Next victim up to bat is Evelynn. Rito just doesn't care that they're angering players and soiling their own names. They're the "gods" of this game, so they feel they can do with it as they please.

VDc0zCqe0wJan 24, 20153 votes

imho, just rework her, put some skillshots here and there so idiots can't come and say "herr derr you play a brainless champ", and that's it

she feels really boring right now, i'd like to know who actually thought that making her a Q-bot would have made her fun

DJ SiamakJan 24, 20153 votes

Master+ is tiny though.

Tis a nice dayJan 24, 20153 votes

I'm fine with Riot nerfing her oppressive early game damage, but she could use some compensation buffs from other areas.

A Wild AP SonaJan 24, 201511 votes

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I'm fine with Riot nerfing her oppressive early game damage, but she could use some compensation buffs from other areas.

40 damage is oppressive?

Tis a nice dayJan 24, 20153 votes

Maybe a better term is its annoying to lane against an 850 range low cooldown auto-target ability.

It Is I EmotoJan 25, 20156 votes

because its the only ability she can do in lane? You want to overheal your adc? or waste mana on a 12 second cooldown ability?

Tis a nice dayJan 26, 20151 votes

Perhaps her other abilities could be changed to be (more) useful in lane?

It Is I EmotoJan 26, 20153 votes

how do you want to do that? its a speedboost and a heal/shield speedboosts are general really good to dodge skillshots, but it's high cooldown is pretty annoying, because as example, morgs bind have a 11 second cooldown, having a shorter cooldown than Sonas E, making it hard to dodge every Q.

Her W is not good for anything right now, because the shield duration is still way too short. I mean, I don't even notice it if im blinking. Also good to know, in the earlier stages of the game, her shield is pretty weak compared to other supports shield, since its designed to counter a small portion of burst damage.

Tis a nice dayJan 26, 20151 votes

According to your post, Sona can have:

Lowered speedbost cooldown (because its "high cooldown is pretty annoying")
Increased shield duration ("because the shield duration is still way too short")

There should be plenty of ways to re-buff Sona outside of returning her Q to its original place.

It Is I EmotoJan 26, 20151 votes

The speed boost is sadly only working on herself better than on her allies. I had suggestions to make the duration for allies speed bost last as long as for Sona (it does for max 5 seconds if she tags all allies) and that her Missing hp ratio from her heal get moved to her shield, wich would make it even more useful for low health allies who couldn't get the heal.

Lowering the cooldown and mana cost from her E would be great and if they'll make her shield at least more usable in lane, then they can keep her heal at a high mana cost. sadly it doesn't and is required to be spammed in lane, making her oom anyways.

Pika310Jan 25, 20154 votes

700 Range*

Tis a nice dayJan 26, 20151 votes

Probably true, but just getting my numbers from here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sona

ACTIVE: Sona sends out bolts of sound that deal magic damage to the two nearest enemies within 850-range, prioritizing champions.

Sightless66Jan 26, 20151 votes

It's 850 when there are no minions around. The way the skill works is that it first seeks for targets within a smaller range. If no targets are within the smaller raduis, then it searches again within the 850 radius. In lane, she won't be getting 850 range Qs on you unless they are pushing very hard. Besides, they're pretty weak poke. Power cords represent a much more significant threat, and she has to autoattack you to use those.

HaestroJan 25, 20153 votes

Who cares about Master/Challenger tier winrate. There have been days where Urgot/Poppy have been #1.

futuresight23Jan 27, 20153 votes

Honestly, if I threw out statistics carelessly like the OP did for a champion like Garen or Malzahar, I would be called out for trying to mislead people and the downvotes on the thread would reflect that. If Lee Sin had a day where he had a sub 40% winrate in Masters + and made a thread about how based on that Lee Sin needs buffs, the thread would be locked by downvotes the next day.

The OP is getting away with cherry-picking certain statistics on certain days on the basis that he is saying what people want to hear.

Emmy Cha0sJan 27, 20153 votes

You're getting away with trolling and verbally harassing players on the basis that the forum moderators refuse to do THEIR JOB.

It Is I EmotoJan 27, 20152 votes

Well, I can say, after her nerfs, her Winrate did fall off by 1%/2% in solo ranked in all elos after patch 5.1 it's not a cherrypicked number, but it's a fact.

Miku Hime samaMay 17, 20153 votes

Unfortunately, the Sona haters aren't interested in facts. They enjoy her being the unplayable trash Riot has turned her into. Thus they go out of their way to intentionally falsify misleading propaganda to not only hinder efforts at reversing her 4.13 execution, but also beat her dead body even further.

Edge of DaybreakJan 25, 20152 votes

You really expect them to think objectively? Look at every sona thread since that pbe patch. There is no hope for them ever realizing anything outside of their circlejerk. The fact that op is getting support for posting some biased cherrypicked stats is proof enough. Sona mains are trying to outdue lee sin mains for worst fanbase. I wonder what it takes to blind yourself in such a powerful way but I cant even fathom how sona mains think after seeing these threads.