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A message to all the people out in low elo ranked

My Remedy··15 votes·2,266 views

I'm currently in gold 4 and there's a few things that people need to know:

  • I don't care what you think, whatever that pro is using isn't going to be as good as what you actually know how to play

  • please take teleport at top lane, it hurts the whole team if you can't tp into bot and their top can

  • please bring exhaust instead of ignite on supports, I'd rather die less than get more kills

  • when you get tilted please don't all chat that you're tilted so their jungler can camp you more

  • The team you have is playing to win, if we are trying to tell you things, we have good intentions (even if we come across as harsh)

  • think less about what you can gain, but more about what you have to lose

  • don't let the above point stop you from using and abusing a lead

Edit: this isn't me saying that these are the rules of the game, ignite is definitely useful vs champs like soraka. More often than not, I see ignite simply for kill potential.

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Redesignated10 votes

please take teleport at top lane, it hurts the whole team if you can't tp into bot and their top can

It's not strictly about Teleporting into bot lane. Focus on side-lane control and quick ability to rotate toward objectives and fights across the map after the laning phase has ended are incredibly important.

please bring exhaust instead of ignite on supports, I'd rather die less than get more kills

Ignite is perfectly fine if there aren't going to be good targets to Exhaust later on in the fight. If you have a high-damage, high-kill-potential lane, exacerbating that can do you wonders. It's taken fairly often both in ranked and professional play, it's simply a matter of gauging which is going to be more worthwhile, and both of you playing around it.

The team you have is playing to win, if we are trying to tell you things, we have good intentions (even if we come across as harsh)

Except the intention when it's harsh is to make yourself look superior and make someone else feel bad about themselves, or even to cover up your own mistakes — not to actually help anybody improve. If you can't at least be neutral in your feedback, be quiet. Nobody's going to start playing better because you flamed them.

My Remedy1 votes

It's not strictly about Teleporting into bot lane. Focus on side-lane control and quick ability to rotate toward objectives and fights across the map after the laning phase has ended are incredibly important.

  • Most of the people playing top at low elo dont understand how splitpushing works or rotations. Most of games are lost due to one lane getting fed and then steamrolling from there. If my top darius went ghost over tp, he won't win lane unless he cheeses their top early lvls or at 6. He also loses all sense of map pressure due to lack of tp.

Ignite is perfectly fine if there aren't going to be good targets to Exhaust later on in the fight. If you have a high-damage, high-kill-potential lane, exacerbating that can do you wonders. It's taken fairly often both in ranked and professional play, it's simply a matter of gauging which is going to be more worthwhile, and both of you playing around it.

  • agreed

Except the intention when it's harsh is to make yourself look superior and make someone else feel bad about themselves, or even to cover up your own mistakes — not to actually help anybody improve. If you can't at least be neutral in your feedback, be quiet. Nobody's going to start playing better because you flamed them.

  • my part of the post is taking into account that the people on my team aren't flaming. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to tell top lane that I'll rotate and gank for him to simply engage a fight then die. Or tell him to just farm and not fight, open the lane up for a gank and I'll be there. That results in me getting missing pinged when I die and a quick stfu pretty often.
Tiddy Twister5 votes

These are all so subjective...

Ignite is fine if you intend to dominate your lane. Just don't take ignite if you are just going to farm. Most people in low elo have no clue how to use tp anyway. And in bot lane, it's all about the matchup. Sometimes it's clearly better than exhaust. Always take ignite vs a soraka lane. To say "always take exhaust" shows that you don't really understand the concept of matchups.

Also in low elo, you can listen to teammates for the sake of communication (back ping, "let's dive bot", etc.), but NEVER listen to teammates telling you what to do. Your teammates are not going to make you climb. ONLY YOU are going to make you climb. Every game you need to have the mentality "my team isn't going to win this game. I'm going to need to win this game. If I don't win this game I'm losing elo, whether I deserve to or not." It's not fair, but it's league.

UnboundCreator1 votes

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These are all so subjective...

Ignite is fine if you intend to dominate your lane. Just don't take ignite if you are just going to farm. Most people in low elo have no clue how to use tp anyway. And in bot lane, it's all about the matchup. Sometimes it's clearly better than exhaust. Always take ignite vs a soraka lane. To say "always take exhaust" shows that you don't really understand the concept of matchups.

Also in low elo, you can listen to teammates for the sake of communication (back ping, "let's dive bot", etc.), but NEVER listen to teammates telling you what to do. Your teammates are not going to make you climb. ONLY YOU are going to make you climb. Every game you need to have the mentality "my team isn't going to win this game. I'm going to need to win this game. If I don't win this game I'm losing elo, whether I deserve to or not." It's not fair, but it's league.

Sorry but half the people who play this are retarded and in low elo i have to tell them every single macro play.

JavelinJoe3 votes
  • please take teleport at top lane, it hurts the whole team if you can't tp into bot and their top can

What if some champions benefit more from ghost or exhaust top side like Singed? In most cases yes, bring TP, but there are some exceptions.

  • please bring exhaust instead of ignite on supports, I'd rather die less than get more kills

What if their team is full of healers or has a Soraka? I personally would rather have the early grievous wounds from Ignite than try and Exhaust the sustaining ADC in that situation. Plus whats wrong about trying to securing a lead early and snowballing from there?

  • think less about what you can gain, but more about what you have to lose

I would rather die if it meant my team could secure an important objective, or if it meant my last auto got the trade kill. Sometimes you just have to sacrifice for your team to get ahead. If I have a bounty and so does their carry, and if we were to fight, we would likely both end up dead, but because my teammates are better overall, I would easily make that call and trade 1 death for 2-5 kills + maybe something more.

Other than those 3, the rest are solid points.

UnboundCreator2 votes

Pretty sure low elo people would go up multiple ranks if they learned 2 simple things. Don't overstay after inhib and don't fight 4v5 if your team is splitting

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I disagree on your second to last point, it's more applicable to tower dives than in general.

But the rest of it is really awesome advice!

I'd like to add my own:

  • When your teammates make a mistake, try comforting them instead of blaming them. It will make them more receptive to advice you might give after that.
Simplicate1 votes

These are all pretty vague but I just want to touch on the bits about summoner spells. it really doesn't matter what they take if they still don't know how to play with tp or exhaust to begin with.

Kewlipo1 votes

LOL! Nearly every single point still happens and I'm D2 - don't think it gets any better!

Sadistic Veigar1 votes

xD

SlaktarTasken1 votes

Teleport can sometimes be a noob trap, yes it might work in some situations, but some champs simply don't benefit from it, especially if they lack hard cc/mobility to get in place or prevent opponents from just walking away since it has a longass cast time, or really fast towerslaying. Wasting a telelport is like literally not having summoner, often times it also allows the opponent to just run down your tower so by not being able to telegank successfully you sometimes let your lane opponent catch up or you fall behind further, you're generally heavily at the mercy of your teammates coordinating with the teleport for it to be successfull in the early/mid-game.

Ignite/exhaust CAN be better if you're strategy is snowball your lane (very effective in matches where you straight counter your opponent on a champ that you're highly proficient with) and relieve pressure from the rest of your team that way since they will always need to send more champs to deal with your splitpushing.

They are both good ofc, the point is that teleport is not always the answer.

Eunson1 votes

{quoted}

  • I don't care what you think, whatever that pro is using isn't going to be as good as what you actually know how to play

Then you tell me I have to take TP and exhaust...

Gold is low elo btw...so is Diamond.

My Remedy1 votes

That's just me referring to fotm picks... Everyone in challenger is still bashing each other buddy, but I think we can agree that the level of skill amongst diamond+ is greater than gold below

Myrmiron1 votes

The skill gap between gold and (low) Diamond is less than half the skill gap between Diamond and Challenger. Riot might as well just make Diamond 5 and below Bronze, Diamond 4 -> Silver, Diamond 3 -> Gold, Diamond 2 -> Platinum and Diamond 1 into Diamond, and they may finally have rank to display your actual skill level.

Eunson1 votes

Seeing as to how you have never been out of gold you really can't say that.

My Remedy1 votes

I have never met a single person in gold that knew how to count jungler cs to know their pathing, count your laner cs and compare yours to time their backs or manipulate lanes for freezing and pushing. I have met plenty of diamonds that do. I've gone for gold only every season for the skin and this is the first season I want to hit diamond or plat, literally just because the borders look nicer. You're one of those losers on the boards that flaunts rank as if someone else can't have knowledge about the game. I've hit the top 100 in destiny for multiple leaderboards and the top 50 for mlg brackets in every single cod from b01-ghost. Will you see me telling you that you have no idea how cod works? No.

Eunson1 votes

First off, COD is a shit game and i have no idea why you brought that into this conversation. You can't tell me Diamond players know wtf they're doing when you've never been diamond and/or played against/with them. Every game I play is Diamond-Challenger players and Diamond player still don't know how to counter jungle/gank/cs/rotate/mechanics. I'll play on my smurfs in gold and silver and the game quality is basically the same as Diamond games...

My Remedy1 votes

You're still missing the point. Just because you have a higher rank doesn't mean others below you in status can't also understand the game. Just because you are diamond and I am gold doesn't mean i can't understand the game. If you think that's how it works, that's just called ignorance. I can go into my normal matches and see a wide variety of borders ranging from gold to diamond typically, so you can't say I've never played with diamonds before. I've played with plenty of diamonds before seeing as some of them are my friends. I've seen them in ranked at the beginning of every season when I start my climb to gold.

Beyond all of this, you're being incredibly childish and not realizing the bigger picture. If diamond+ comprises the top 1% of ranked players, then diamond is high elo. It doesn't matter how much better you seem to be compared to your competition in diamond. The fact of the matter is that those people around you are statistically better than low elo. Your subjective opinion won't change that. Get off your high horse.

Eunson1 votes

Ranked and normals are not the same elo...a diamond in a normal game isn't the same in a ranked game. Diamond is 90% boosted players. You have never been diamond so no you cannot say anything about it. I never said you didn't know about the game, I said gold and diamond is basically the same elo... both complete garbage.

My Remedy1 votes

Diamond is garbage compared to challenger and master. That make sense. But if you're going to look at the entirety of league, diamond isn't low elo. It's like comparing Bill Gates and Trump. Trump makes way less revenue than Gates, so Trump is comparatively garbage, but he still makes way more money than most people in the US. That's why Trump is located in the top 1%. Whatever subjective opinion you have about gold vs diamond isn't and will never be factual.

Edit for clarity: Trump (diamond) vs Gates (challenger)

Eunson1 votes

So you agree, Trump is garbage and retarded, basically bronze.

My Remedy1 votes

So you're deflecting and not arguing over the point?

On a side note: Trump is more intelligent and influential than you will ever be. Tell me who you would have voted for before I start making any assumptions. I would call obama retarded and garbage, but even I can recognize how hard the job is as a conservative. Obama would never have been able to deliver on campaign promises, and neither will Trump. The system is too complex for any one person to completely revamp the system and manipulate it to his will, especially with the increased partisanship in the country.

Eunson1 votes

So you voted Trump...thank you for proving my point. Also, you think Trump is influential? You have to be married to your sister/brother to believe anything he says lol. Guessing you're from one of them southern states.

PS: I'm not American

My Remedy1 votes

I didn't vote Trump, actually.

If you think a well known millionaire isn't influential, you need to wake up. Money rules the world and he's got plenty of it. He's the most talked about political figure in history. He is the current POTUS. Pretending Trump isn't an influential person is honestly retarded.

He has a general understanding of a vast number of America's problems. Whether you agree or disagree on his solutions is an entirely different matter. It isn't a matter of believing him when he says job outsourcing is a problem. It is agreed on by both sides of the political spectrum to be a problem. He is considered to be a populist candidate by the left for good reason.

Keep deflecting btw. It's great.

Eunson1 votes

Like I said, he's influential if your inbred. He actually believes global climate change isn't real...

My Remedy1 votes

Being influential and being right are two very different things. C'mon now. I'd expect better logic from the diamond.

Vizulix1 votes

Mate you need to drop you're large head. Stop in the ignorant belief that if someone is in a lower rank than you, they automatically have less understanding of the game. I'm not saying that I have more understanding, because I don't.

Eunson1 votes

I'm saying gold and diamond is the same elo, they're both trash. I've played in both he hasn't....

My Remedy1 votes

A subjective point of view in which you see diamond and gold as trash doesn't represent the factual information using statistics. If you see yourself as better than the players around you, that is a-ok. I'm still waiting for you to actually refute any of the points I've made so far. You haven't.

Tails90161 votes

Think less about what you can gain, but more about what you have to lose

Is this a joke about how you lose more lp compared to how much you gain?( yes I know what MMR is, though it seems to have no affect on my lp, as I constantly lose ~24 on average, while gaining ~18 per lose/win, weather my MMR is above or below average)

My Remedy1 votes

It has to due with in-game concerns

ThePikol1 votes

The team you have is playing to win

Yeah sure. My 0/7 Yas is playing to win. My Ahri adc is playing to win. My Lee that says "I dont care, dont even try" is playing to win. My autofilled teammate that says "I will troll, gg" in champ select win sure play to win.

My Remedy1 votes

generally my statement holds true, the amount of people not trying to win in ranked isn't isignificant but small

Xivilai Anaxes1 votes
  • please take teleport at top lane, it hurts the whole team if you can't tp into bot and their top can

Nobody in Bronze is going to use their tp to gank or help other lanes and if they try it's to a shitty spot or a shitty time 95% of the time. Hell it isn't even their fault they can't tp to a good spot half the time considering the only wards ever there are at the river bush (if even that).

Almost every time a bronzie roams to "help his team :D" it just ends up fucking up his lane so badly because he loses 4 waves to the turret, gets a kill maybe 20% of the time (Which doesn't even make it close to breaking even on what he lost) and just puts himself behind.

Take it from someone who smurfs there regularly.

Aptest1 votes

Dear OP,

Please add the following suggestion:

Please use your summoner spells in fights.

Maybe this only pertains to bronze like me, but i've won countless games purely on the basis of me using the exh/ignite after lane phase ends and the opposing support not.

My Remedy1 votes

sounds about right lol

Vizulix1 votes

Dear Op,

Please add stop thinking you can charge headfirst into the enemy as Master Yi. No matter how OP you think he is, ignoring reason and charging in 1 vs 5 is bad. You will feed and you're team is not at any fault for not backing you up into the frontal death charge.

My Remedy1 votes

That literally has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but ok. Two thumbs up!

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