what is the counterplay to graves?

MunchCrunchLunch·Jan 28, 2016·3 votes·997 views

^ question. is all i ask. what do I do against a graves. as he can 1v1 any adc in the game and hes not known as a duel adc.

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disregardableJan 28, 20163 votes

Range. Duh.

Ronin TamosJan 28, 20162 votes

Graves was redesigned with almost melee--like range so keeping him away from you is step number one. Use your longer range to harrass him. Watch for his E Dashes. Always be ready to change position, don´t just stand still and AA him. Also his Autos can be bodyblocked so use minions,jungle creeps as shields to take less dmg. Try not to stand near walls, in front of turrets cause his Q will immediatly fire back hitting a wall, turret. Abuse the time he reloads to dmg him.

ErockandrollJan 28, 20162 votes

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^ question. is all i ask. what do I do against a graves. as he can 1v1 any adc in the game and hes not known as a duel adc.

No, he's the Burst Assassin ADC. but that could be the same thing if your target is squishy.

2, maybe 3 shotgun blasts, a powder trail, and then a collateral damage. That's not dueling, that's killing a squishy in 2 seconds.

LauchmelderJan 28, 20162 votes

Anti-Smoking Campaigns

(Please don't kill me)

ÝonesJan 28, 20161 votes

I have found out that Kalista can fight Graves pretty easily. She can kite Graves' low range and his Q, W or ult.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 28, 20161 votes

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I have found out that Kalista can fight Graves pretty easily. She can kite Graves' low range and his Q, W or ult.

wouldn't his ult do its damage twice to kalisa if shes kiting

DrehirthJan 28, 20161 votes

There isn't any if he's jungle... Stupid safe and quick clear, instant death if you run into him...

DragfinJan 28, 20161 votes

The counterplay to anything in league is a brain and teamwork.

JadeClawz Jan 28, 20161 votes

I used to main Graves (Now Vayne) and I realize he's not that hard to play against tbh. (Unless hes JG, then your screwed, just ward.) His passive allows him to 2 autos and then he has 2 secs to reload( unless he reloads 1 bullet after he shoots, but you can still see the animation), if you are not a ranged ADC like Siver or Cait, use these 2 seconds to get off an auto or 2 (For example with Vayne, he uses his 2 shots, I'd Auto, Tumble, Auto, back off). I'm not exactly sure if straight up fighting against a Graves is a decent idea, but you can absolutely harass the shit out of him to the point where it wouldn't take much to kill him or put him under tower. Also, his Q's are very predictable. A good graves (especially in laning phase) will not just waste his Q, so if your standing next to creeps that have low HP, get the hell outa there, because most likely hes gonna Q, kill minions, and hurt you. It really just comes down to understanding how the champion works and knowing when/how to engage. Also sustain lanes like Cait + Soraka or Lucian + Nami makes it a tad bit difficult for Graves to do any real damage even if he manages to hit you. He has to be able to Q you, then hit you with Autos without creeps blocking him, which is fairly difficult. Another reason why whenever I play Graves, Blitzcrank is like the #1 champ to duo with, it turns a sustain lane to a kill lane for the enemy team. It snatches up the enemy ADC and allows you to get a free Q and most likely 2 autos which can result in a kill or a burned Flash + Heal.) His smoke screen can be an issue as well since it slows and blinds you, but if you stay behind healthy minions, you should be fine, even if it means going under tower. I outfarmed a Graves by doing exactly that and was even pushed under tower multiple times, but we won because he focused on doing brute damage and hardly had any CS while I did a little poking but focused on CSing. That's all I got. I think I pretty much covered everything.